Around the NFL Week 13

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Agree, I WAS in favor of bringing him here, but mos def not now after watching his play this season. Incredible watching him quit and whine at the sametime. Not a good plan to get a big contract

I think the kid as issue's. I think he's a top talent. I also think his problem this year is obviously he's not happy. He wants a big contract, Reid supposedly promised him he'd get one as well as the top brass, yet he see's Vick get paid and not him. On top of not being the priority to the team he thinks he is the team is losing which looks like he's having trouble with digesting.

But as others have said he's a professional and needs to act like one. Play well, take care of your job, and at the end of the year if the Eagles didn't offer a big contract you move on. Instead he's only hurting himself cause right now there are probably a few teams that won't touch him do to character issue's, some won't because of his last two seasons of mediocracy, and his lack of effort.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I think the kid as issue's. I think he's a top talent. I also think his problem this year is obviously he's not happy. He wants a big contract, Reid supposedly promised him he'd get one as well as the top brass, yet he see's Vick get paid and not him. On top of not being the priority to the team he thinks he is the team is losing which looks like he's having trouble with digesting.

But as others have said he's a professional and needs to act like one. Play well, take care of your job, and at the end of the year if the Eagles didn't offer a big contract you move on. Instead he's only hurting himself cause right now there are probably a few teams that won't touch him do to character issue's, some won't because of his last two seasons of mediocracy, and his lack of effort.

While I don't agree with his actions, up to a certain point DJax has a point. The guy single-handedly won that game against the Giants last season, and was their main weapon offensively. Now the team all of the sudden goes on this spending spree (Vick's new contract, Nnamdi, C. Jenkins, etc., etc.) and they don't give him a new contract? DJax I believe is still in his rookie contract, so once again he's being low balled by the Eagles.

Once again, not condoning his actions, but I see where he's coming from.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

While I don't agree with his actions, up to a certain point DJax has a point. The guy single-handedly won that game against the Giants last season, and was their main weapon offensively. Now the team all of the sudden goes on this spending spree (Vick's new contract, Nnamdi, C. Jenkins, etc., etc.) and they don't give him a new contract? DJax I believe is still in his rookie contract, so once again he's being low balled by the Eagles.

Once again, not condoning his actions, but I see where he's coming from.

Thats my point. How would any of you guys feel if your boss brought in new people and paid the twice as much as what your making, promised you they would hook you up and don't? You'd be pissed also.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Thats my point. How would any of you guys feel if your boss brought in new people and paid the twice as much as what your making, promised you they would hook you up and don't? You'd be pissed also.

I'd be pissed and I'd start looking for a new job. At the same time, I wouldn't tank on my current job.

First, b/c it's just wrong. I've been shafted many a time - passed over for less qualified more politically connected folks, and currently work next to the laziest excuse for an employee known to man (and I have worked with some lazy ass attorneys) who is paid the same as me even though she hasn't put in 40 hours since I have been here. Regardless, I work hard, I work long hours and give my best b/c, ultimately, it's my name and my reputation at stake. DJax doesnt get that. You've been shafted; true enough - sh** happens. Either rise above it or sink into it. DJax has chosen the later.

Second, it's just stupid. Someone once told me, the best way to get out of a job you hate is to do it well. Had DJax sucked it up, played hard and given it his all throughout the season, teams would be fighting to pay him lots of money. If he gets franchised, play hard next season too. It's a formula that got Walter Jones paid top dollar year in and year out in Seattle. Instead, by pouting and half-assing it, he will get low balled in free agency. Maybe someone pays him big ass money but I doubt it. He just hasn't shown up enough to deserve it.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I'd be pissed and I'd start looking for a new job. At the same time, I wouldn't tank on my current job.

First, b/c it's just wrong. I've been shafted many a time - passed over for less qualified more politically connected folks, and currently work next to the laziest excuse for an employee known to man (and I have worked with some lazy ass attorneys) who is paid the same as me even though she hasn't put in 40 hours since I have been here. Regardless, I work hard, I work long hours and give my best b/c, ultimately, it's my name and my reputation at stake. DJax doesnt get that. You've been shafted; true enough - sh** happens. Either rise above it or sink into it. DJax has chosen the later.

Second, it's just stupid. Someone once told me, the best way to get out of a job you hate is to do it well. Had DJax sucked it up, played hard and given it his all throughout the season, teams would be fighting to pay him lots of money. If he gets franchised, play hard next season too. It's a formula that got Walter Jones paid top dollar year in and year out in Seattle. Instead, by pouting and half-assing it, he will get low balled in free agency. Maybe someone pays him big ass money but I doubt it. He just hasn't shown up enough to deserve it.

That sums it up perfectly. Nice post.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I'd be pissed and I'd start looking for a new job. At the same time, I wouldn't tank on my current job.

First, b/c it's just wrong. I've been shafted many a time - passed over for less qualified more politically connected folks, and currently work next to the laziest excuse for an employee known to man (and I have worked with some lazy ass attorneys) who is paid the same as me even though she hasn't put in 40 hours since I have been here. Regardless, I work hard, I work long hours and give my best b/c, ultimately, it's my name and my reputation at stake. DJax doesnt get that. You've been shafted; true enough - sh** happens. Either rise above it or sink into it. DJax has chosen the later.

Second, it's just stupid. Someone once told me, the best way to get out of a job you hate is to do it well. Had DJax sucked it up, played hard and given it his all throughout the season, teams would be fighting to pay him lots of money. If he gets franchised, play hard next season too. It's a formula that got Walter Jones paid top dollar year in and year out in Seattle. Instead, by pouting and half-assing it, he will get low balled in free agency. Maybe someone pays him big ass money but I doubt it. He just hasn't shown up enough to deserve it.

Totally agree with you man. He's wrong. Now do me a favour.... look at you age and then look at his. I know you might not ever have done it, but thats my point there is a maturity level there and he doesn't have it yet. He's making more money then he ever has, he's a top talent on that team and he's pissed he is not getting paid like one. He's spoiled and thinks he should be paid better and probably should but he's going about it the wrong way. I'm not making excuses for him, I'm just saying I think we all know what he's doing and why.

Edit: On your last para.. ever been in a job where you were the one who the boss relied on? knew you'd stay late if asked, knew you'd get the job done if asked, knew you would never say no? after a while you start getting the feeling your being abused becasue all the other workers leave on time, don't have stay late, or do anything extra? It's always you they come to. DJax comes out and plays well and the team decides they can't afford to lose him so they tag him. Look at the Chargers WR as a prime example. But as you said there's no excuse for half arsing it. It's a team sport and he's letting other down due to his selfishness.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Totally agree with you man. He's wrong. Now do me a favour.... look at you age and then look at his. I know you might not ever have done it, but thats my point there is a maturity level there and he doesn't have it yet. He's making more money then he ever has, he's a top talent on that team and he's pissed he is not getting paid like one. He's spoiled and thinks he should be paid better and probably should but he's going about it the wrong way. I'm not making excuses for him, I'm just saying I think we all know what he's doing and why.

Edit: On your last para.. ever been in a job where you were the one who the boss relied on? knew you'd stay late if asked, knew you'd get the job done if asked, knew you would never say no? after a while you start getting the feeling your being abused becasue all the other workers leave on time, don't have stay late, or do anything extra? It's always you they come to. DJax comes out and plays well and the team decides they can't afford to lose him so they tag him. Look at the Chargers WR as a prime example. But as you said there's no excuse for half arsing it. It's a team sport and he's letting other down due to his selfishness.

Yup - and I got out of that job by busting my ass and doing more work in other divisions. Working harder and working better got me a lateral move to a brand new division with a raise.

But, your right, he's 25 and probably had the world handed to him at every turn b/c of his amazing physical attributes. Would I have acted different at 25 under the same circumstances? Maybe, maybe not. Unfortunately, he's going to learn a hard lesson at the cost of millions of dollars. Given his exceptional speed, and in all probability, he will land on his feet and make lots of money. I get the strange feeling, however, that, no matter what he makes, he won't be satisfied and will never be the WR he could be.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I'd be pissed and I'd start looking for a new job. At the same time, I wouldn't tank on my current job.

Well the problem with the NFL is that players can't do that b/c of the contracts.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well the problem with the NFL is that players can't do that b/c of the contracts.

No, but he can bust his ass and force Philly to either (1) Franchise him and pay him top 5 WR money; or (2) Not franchise and pay big bucks to retain him.

The concept is the same. If money is what he wants, he gets it by busting his ass so that his next contract - whether it be a one year franchise tender or a big signing bonus UFA contract - to pay him the money he believes he deserves.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

No, but he can bust his ass and force Philly to either (1) Franchise him and pay him top 5 WR money; or (2) Not franchise and pay big bucks to retain him.

The concept is the same. If money is what he wants, he gets it by busting his ass so that his next contract - whether it be a one year franchise tender or a big signing bonus UFA contract - to pay him the money he believes he deserves.

Perfectly said. You look at the Eagles FA signings, the players did play well enough prior to FA to get a fat contract. Asomugha played on some baaad teams. But he still performed well enough to get a big payday. Cullen Jenkins was a beast for the Packers, and so on. Hell, even Albert Haynesworth played like a monster during his contract years.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Thats my point. How would any of you guys feel if your boss brought in new people and paid the twice as much as what your making, promised you they would hook you up and don't? You'd be pissed also.

what jackson fails to realize is his pouting and acting like a baby w/out it's milk bottle isn't going to help him with other teams. and it's certainly not going to help with philly. he's only screwing himself. he'll eventually get a raise but he's not getting the money he thinks he's going to get.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

While I don't agree with his actions, up to a certain point DJax has a point. The guy single-handedly won that game against the Giants last season, and was their main weapon offensively. Now the team all of the sudden goes on this spending spree (Vick's new contract, Nnamdi, C. Jenkins, etc., etc.) and they don't give him a new contract? DJax I believe is still in his rookie contract, so once again he's being low balled by the Eagles.

Once again, not condoning his actions, but I see where he's coming from.

Just like Carlos Rogers felt when Hall was signed.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Just like Carlos Rogers felt when Hall was signed.

Not the same situation. DJax (at the end of last season) was worth a #1 WRs contract, Rogers (last year) wasn't worth the same contract as Nnamdi or Revis period.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Not the same situation. DJax (at the end of last season) was worth a #1 WRs contract, Rogers (last year) wasn't worth the same contract as Nnamdi or Revis period.

Age and potential aside, Jackson would have been far more overpaid as a $13 mil/year no. 1 receiver than Rogers would have been as a $9 mil/year no. 1 CB in the Revis/Nnamdi pay grade, even a year ago.

Jackson is really overrated as a receiver, but the ability to go vertical on NFL safeties is not a skill that you typically find beyond the first round. And that's Jackson's true value. He's a polished player who can break a game wide open. He is not a consistent down to down NFL receiver. He simply doesn't catch the ball well enough.

Devery Henderson is a better offensive player than DeSean Jackson, so I think that's a good example of how limited the Eagles offense was compared to other elite teams in the NFC. There are teams like the Packers and Saints for whom hed be coming off the bench. And then there are teams like the Rams and Redskins who he'd be the unquestioned top receiving target.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Not the same situation. DJax (at the end of last season) was worth a #1 WRs contract, Rogers (last year) wasn't worth the same contract as Nnamdi or Revis period.

Same shit, they both want to get paid. Carlos was pissed 3 years ago when fat **** and Hall were signed.