Vick is a crybaby

[tdSKINS1]

Why is this a thread? If you watched Vick at VT and saw how he sacrificed his body for his team every week you wouldn't call him a cry baby. Any one of us would be cry babies if we played in the NFL and got 300 pound lineman hitting us every week.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by tdSKINS1

Why is this a thread? If you watched Vick at VT and saw how he sacrificed his body for his team every week you wouldn't call him a cry baby. Any one of us would be cry babies if we played in the NFL and got 300 pound lineman hitting us every week.

it's his choice to be that type of player, even if it is the best choice

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by tdSKINS1

Why is this a thread? If you watched Vick at VT and saw how he sacrificed his body for his team every week you wouldn't call him a cry baby. Any one of us would be cry babies if we played in the NFL and got 300 pound lineman hitting us every week.

This.

And I'll add my own . I think the refs and even the league are treading on the fine line of discrimination/racism wrt Vick. He's listed as a quarterback period end of sentence and when he's behind the LOS extending a play w/ his feet there's no legitimate excuse for the helmet to helmet and/or late hits he takes. In short, every other marquee (err white) QB in the league gets the benefit of the doubt everytime in those instances. F*ck you barely lay a finger on Tom B's pretty head or dare to tap him after a play and there's a shower of yellow flags coming in for minutes. Same goes for several others.

I understand there's room for debate about what type of guy Vick is i.e. character issues but it's really, really disingenuous to pretend it's ok the guy is treated differently as a player.

Off soap-box...and ps I'm white.

[diehard]

Originally Posted by The Goat

This.

And I'll add my own . I think the refs and even the league are treading on the fine line of discrimination/racism wrt Vick. He's listed as a quarterback period end of sentence and when he's behind the LOS extending a play w/ his feet there's no legitimate excuse for the helmet to helmet and/or late hits he takes. In short, every other marquee (err white) QB in the league gets the benefit of the doubt everytime in those instances. F*ck you barely lay a finger on Tom B's pretty head or dare to tap him after a play and there's a shower of yellow flags coming in for minutes. Same goes for several others.

I understand there's room for debate about what type of guy Vick is i.e. character issues but it's really, really disingenuous to pretend it's ok the guy is treated differently as a player.

Off soap-box...and ps I'm white.

Is this you Todd?

[Swarley]

Originally Posted by The Goat

This.

And I'll add my own . I think the refs and even the league are treading on the fine line of discrimination/racism wrt Vick. He's listed as a quarterback period end of sentence and when he's behind the LOS extending a play w/ his feet there's no legitimate excuse for the helmet to helmet and/or late hits he takes. In short, every other marquee (err white) QB in the league gets the benefit of the doubt everytime in those instances. F*ck you barely lay a finger on Tom B's pretty head or dare to tap him after a play and there's a shower of yellow flags coming in for minutes. Same goes for several others.

I understand there's room for debate about what type of guy Vick is i.e. character issues but it's really, really disingenuous to pretend it's ok the guy is treated differently as a player.

Off soap-box...and ps I'm white.

I would say Matt Ryan is pretty white and as far as I remember he was the one that wasn't getting the roughing the passer calls when his Falcons squared off with the Eagles last week. Josh Freeman, Campbell, McNabb all get their fair share of roughing calls so I don't think your theory holds any water.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Goat

This.

And I'll add my own . I think the refs and even the league are treading on the fine line of discrimination/racism wrt Vick. He's listed as a quarterback period end of sentence and when he's behind the LOS extending a play w/ his feet there's no legitimate excuse for the helmet to helmet and/or late hits he takes. In short, every other marquee (err white) QB in the league gets the benefit of the doubt everytime in those instances. F*ck you barely lay a finger on Tom B's pretty head or dare to tap him after a play and there's a shower of yellow flags coming in for minutes. Same goes for several others.

I understand there's room for debate about what type of guy Vick is i.e. character issues but it's really, really disingenuous to pretend it's ok the guy is treated differently as a player.

Off soap-box...and ps I'm white.

The roughing calls that Vick gets or doesn't get are pretty in line with what a non-elite quarterback in this league gets the benefit of. He's not getting calls that Brady or Rivers may get, but you might think back to the Rodgers pick he threw in OT at FedEx last year to Landry, where Jarmon (incidentally) went helmet to helmet with him. Today, Rodgers absolutely gets that call. But because at the time he hadn't earned the benefit of the doubt, and it looked incidental enough, so no flag was thrown.

Campbell went the entire 2009 season without drawing a roughing flag, despite the fact we couldn't block anybody. But McNabb drew a roughing flag against the Cowboys on opening night 2010.

This is a penalty that gets flagged really inconsistently, and Vick seems to be on the wrong side of that more often than not. But it's a league-wide problem.

This does seem like a case of sour grapes, but I'll say this: Brady is far more whiny about it than Vick is. If there's any element of race here, it's not in how the penalties are administered, its in the public reaction to it: Brady is doing it because he's a competitor, Vick is doing it because he's soft.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

This does seem like a case of sour grapes, but I'll say this: Brady is far more whiny about it than Vick is. If there's any element of race here, it's not in how the penalties are administered, its in the public reaction to it: Brady is doing it because he's a competitor, Vick is doing it because he's soft.

Best line of your post....Spot-on.

[Swarley]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

This does seem like a case of sour grapes, but I'll say this: Brady is far more whiny about it than Vick is. If there's any element of race here, it's not in how the penalties are administered, its in the public reaction to it: Brady is doing it because he's a competitor, Vick is doing it because he's soft.

I disagree, highly. Brady gets called a whiner all the time by the public. The only reason it seems more prevalent with Vick is because he's an Eagle, we have added reasons to hate on him.

And maybe in your area Brady gets a little more love since he's a Michigan guy. The three super bowls help too.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GreekSkin

I disagree, highly. Brady gets called a whiner all the time by the public. The only reason it seems more prevalent with Vick is because he's an Eagle, we have added reasons to hate on him.

And maybe in your area Brady gets a little more love since he's a Michigan guy. The three super bowls help too.

No one talks about Brady around here. Then again, no one talks about pro football.

Things may change this year.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GreekSkin

I disagree, highly. Brady gets called a whiner all the time by the public. The only reason it seems more prevalent with Vick is because he's an Eagle, we have added reasons to hate on him.

And maybe in your area Brady gets a little more love since he's a Michigan guy. The three super bowls help too.

I highly doubt this.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by tdSKINS1

Why is this a thread? If you watched Vick at VT and saw how he sacrificed his body for his team every week you wouldn't call him a cry baby. Any one of us would be cry babies if we played in the NFL and got 300 pound lineman hitting us every week.

I wasn't calling him a crybaby for how he plays, just the way he loses.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by tdSKINS1

Why is this a thread? If you watched Vick at VT and saw how he sacrificed his body for his team every week you wouldn't call him a cry baby. Any one of us would be cry babies if we played in the NFL and got 300 pound lineman hitting us every week.

You're a VT homer, Vick's speed put him so far above NCAA players it was ridiculous. He didn't sacrifice crap. I've got FAR more respect for sacrifices the RBs/LBs and lineman make than Vick. You try lining up about 7-10yds from another top level NCAA athlete and run full speed into him for 30 plays....and not get an ounce of recognition for it outside of your teammates....that's sacrifice.

And I've played in the military and semi-pro at QB...while the players aren't 300lbers, there were some damn good athletes (prior NCAA) at 250+ getting clean shots on my blind-side. There was also some dirty stuff that went on in semi-pro. I never whined or cried about it....and I wasn't getting a 7 figure paycheck either. I suspect there's several others on the board that have played at a higher level than me who didn't whine and cry like a little **tch when they took a few shots.

I'm sure Vick improved his Q score this weekend. LOL.

[rbanerjee23]

I'm no Vick fan but if Canty makes that hit on Brees or Brady then it's a flag at the very least

[tc2deuce]

Vick is right on this one and we all know if it was number 12 it would be a flag

[BigSKINBauer]

Vick honestly does get hit a lot more, after the ball is thrown, than other QBs in the league. Yes, its his his o-line's fault but Vick never gets the flag. The defense and refs treat him like he is a RB. Eagle fans complain about this all the time, not just this game. While watching the game i was thinking that another QB would get some ref-assistance on a lot of those plays.

That being said, i'm happy that Vick doesn't get these calls. Maybe his whining(and injury) will lead to the refs being more favorable to him in the future, which is upsetting. With this added publicity, some people will be calling out racism which will also lead to the refs being more favorable to Vick.