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[saden1]

BTW, not all private schools are the same. Some of them are down right stinky dog poop...especially the religious ones that pervert science. If you check the statistics you will find that non-sectarians private schools are way better in terms of performance and cost 2X+ as much.

Obama and co believe science is the way of the future...I would hope they don't fund religious schools. He is free to send his kids there on his own dime though.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

BTW, not all private schools are the same. Some of them are down right stinky dog poop...especially the religious ones that pervert science.

Agree. But if the parent approves shouldn't that be their choice? And the majority of religious based private schools are mainstream and don't teach the wacky stuff and literal bible interpretation (the creationism is absolute, evolution is the devil type stuff).

If you check the statistics you will find that non-sectarians private schools are way better in terms of performance and cost 2X+ as much.

The performance of Catholic schools is up there with the non-sects and is still less than what the average per student costs are in most states. Our local Catholic HS is approx. $ 10,600 / yr. and 85% move on to attend 4 year schools, the remaining 15% attend JCs.

Obama and co believe science is the way of the future...I would hope they don't fund religious schools. He is free to send his kids there on his own dime though.

Of course science is the future, and most mainstream religious people agree science and faith can/do go hand-in-hand.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Agree. But if the parent approves shouldn't that be their choice? And the majority of religious based private schools are mainstream and don't teach the wacky stuff and literal bible interpretation (the creationism is absolute, evolution is the devil type stuff).

The performance of Catholic schools is up there with the non-sects and is still less than what the average per student costs are in most states. Our local Catholic HS is approx. $ 10,600 / yr. and 85% move on to attend 4 year schools, the remaining 15% attend JCs.

Of course science is the future, and most mainstream religious people agree science and faith can/do go hand-in-hand.

I'm all for parental choice...I just don't want to hand people checks without pre-conditions (generally a philosophy republicans have always been behind).

I don't think religious schools do as good of a job teaching science. They confuse kids and place doubts in their minds regarding science...I know this first hand. At the end of the day though it's the parents job to teach their kids and kids what the schools won't teach them.

I think the other problem is that once you take funds away from the public schools while you don't have an environment with more quality private schools you run the risk of making the public schools worse due to lack of funding. And in the long term the quality and standards of private schools education will likely get lower to accommodate more business. A better solution is to kill failing schools and reinvent them in a manner similar to Harlem Children's Zone. I think it is more cost effective.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

I'm all for parental choice...I just don't want to hand people checks without pre-conditions (generally a philosophy republicans have always been behind).

I don't think religious schools do as good of a job teaching science. They confuse kids and place doubts in their minds regarding science...I know this first hand. At the end of the day though it's the parents job to teach their kids and kids what the schools won't teach them.

I think the other problem is that once you take funds away from the public schools while you don't have an environment with more quality private schools you run the risk of making the public schools worse due to lack of funding. And in the long term the quality and standards of private schools education will likely get lower to accommodate more business. A better solution is to kill failing schools and reinvent them in a manner similar to Harlem Children's Zone. I think it is more cost effective.

I have read several things on HCZ and could never figure out if you have to sign up your child and agree to participate or do they provide this service to all children regardless of parent involvement?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I have read several things on HCZ and could never figure out if you have to sign up your child and agree to participate or do they provide this service to all children regardless of parent involvement?

It's literally a lottery system right now. Every year parents show up to the school gym, take a number, an administrator spins this thing that has balls with numbers on it, pulls one out, announces the number and then the parents scream and cry. They have expectations of the parents but the kids practically live in the school like a boarding school. Here is a nice video on it:

The Harlem Children's Zone - 60 Minutes - CBS News

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

It's literally a lottery system right now. Every year parents show up to the school gym, take a number, an administrator spins this thing that has balls with numbers on it, pulls one out, announces the number and then the parents scream and cry. They have expectations of the parents but the kids practically live in the school like a boarding school. Here is a nice video on it:

The Harlem Children's Zone - 60 Minutes - CBS News

Ok, thats what I thought and why this program works. This is driven by the parents desire to give their kids a better life when they are stuck in poverty. Just like the voucher program in DC. Without the willing parents these programs will have little to no success. Force this program into a school system and the results will be much lower because only so many parents will get involved. See I think the failing public school system is because of the parents not giving a rats ass and not getting involved in the kids life. I wonder what HCZ does with kids that become a disapline problem because from my understanding they are not a public school?