Redskins and Titans talking trade again on Albert Haynesworth

[MTK]

This AH nonsense makes for some good drama, but it doesn't completely zero out all the positive things that happened this offseason, at least not for me. I could really care less if #92 is out there or not this week. I'm excited about this team and the season. One bad apple doesn't ruin the whole bunch. F him, we're winning whether he's on the field or not.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

This AH nonsense makes for some good drama, but it doesn't completely zero out all the positive things that happened this offseason, at least not for me. I could really care less if #92 is out there or not this week. I'm excited about this team and the season. One bad apple doesn't ruin the whole bunch. F him, we're winning whether he's on the field or not.

So based on what you've seen, you're not at all worried about rushing defense without AH in the lineup?

There are some things, like our running game for instance, that I'm comfortable with, even though it hasn't looked stellar so far. I can't say the same for rushing defense. With Barber, Choice, and Jones coming into town Sunday night, I'm afraid they might churn out 200 yards on the ground against us. But with AH, I'd feel safe in saying our prospects are much better.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

So based on what you've seen, you're not at all worried about rushing defense without AH in the lineup?

..... But with AH, I'd feel safe in saying our prospects are much better.

I'm concerned about our run D with AH. He can only play one position on the DL, either NT or DE. Kemo hasn't looked particularly good at NT and our DEs are average at best (Carriker, Daniels, Holliday). Golston is a high motor guy, but an overachiever and not an NFL starter IMO. We also have major issues in the run game at OLB. Anyone who thinks we're making a deep playoff run this year is sadly mistaken. If we get in as a wild card the season will be a huge success.

Does AH make this year's D better? If he's on the field, doesn't have a phantom injury, and isn't half-assing it every other play, he makes this year's D better. But, does anyone actually expect him to be here long-term....I certainly hope not. We have to face facts, we've got a bad apple and we're not getting any more than a 2nd for him, if we can get that. But a 2nd is better than nothing and we should be able to pick up a quality DL in next year's draft with that pick.

Rome wasn't built in one off-season.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I'm concerned about our run D with AH. He can only play one position on the DL, either NT or DE. Kemo hasn't looked particularly good at NT and our DEs are average at best (Carriker, Daniels, Holliday). Golston is a high motor guy, but an overachiever and not an NFL starter IMO. We also have major issues in the run game at OLB. Anyone who thinks we're making a deep playoff run this year is sadly mistaken. If we get in as a wild card the season will be a huge success.

Does AH make this year's D better? If he's on the field, doesn't have a phantom injury, and isn't half-assing it every other play, he makes this year's D better. But, does anyone actually expect him to be here long-term....I certainly hope not. We have to face facts, we've got a bad apple and we're not getting any more than a 2nd for him, if we can get that. But a 2nd is better than nothing and we should be able to pick up a quality DL in next year's draft with that pick.

Rome wasn't built in one off-season.

We also have to rectify this knowing that given the current roster (read: age + salary structure), the 2011 team almost certainly won't be as good as the 2010 team.

There are plenty of things a team can do in the offseason to better its long term and short term fortunes. But the only thing a team can do to completely change the outlook of it's organization in a year is have an other worldly (better than 98% of all other) draft class. And we're already down two picks and retained only 2 players (plus 3 UDFAs) from this class.

So while it's about 11 months too early to have an accurate prediction for next year's Redskins (or even if there will be a next year's Redskins), it's worth pointing out that any move we make that hurts our chances to win this year is doing so at the expense of next year's team as well.

To be clear, I'm not saying that the 2011 team can't win. They can: but only if we ALREADY have the right balance of players to be successful now and in the future. If we cut Albert Haynesworth and have a poor rushing defense with limited pass rush, there's no silver lining. There's just decreased quality of defense going forward.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We also have to rectify this knowing that given the current roster (read: age + salary structure), the 2011 team almost certainly won't be as good as the 2010 team.

Our 2010 front three (save for Carriker if he has a solid year) won't look anything like our 2011 front three. That doesn't necessarily mean it won't be as good.

There are plenty of things a team can do in the offseason to better its long term and short term fortunes. But the only thing a team can do to completely change the outlook of it's organization in a year is have an other worldly (better than 98% of all other) draft class. And we're already down two picks and retained only 2 players (plus 3 UDFAs) from this class.

I know our 3rd & 4th are gone, but didn't we pick up a 5th (J. Brown) and 7th (Tryon). There doesn't appear to be much in the 2011 draft at NT, but a few good 3-4 DEs should be available when we pick in the 1st.

So while it's about 11 months too early to have an accurate prediction for next year's Redskins (or even if there will be a next year's Redskins), it's worth pointing out that any move we make that hurts our chances to win this year is doing so at the expense of next year's team as well.

Not if it means getting rid of AH, who at this point appears to be resigned to being an unproductive @ss-hole (AH) for 2010. If we can pick up a 2nd for the guy I don't see how that hurts us. Did you see AH staying with us and being productive in 2011? I sure don't.

To be clear, I'm not saying that the 2011 team can't win. They can: but only if we ALREADY have the right balance of players to be successful now and in the future. If we cut Albert Haynesworth and have a poor rushing defense with limited pass rush, there's no silver lining. There's just decreased quality of defense going forward.

No way do I advocate cutting AH, only a trade for something in the area of a 2nd rounder. The 2011 team should be positioned to win, even while getting rid of AH. Our secondary is young and should improve over the course of the year. Fletch shoud still be productive in 2011, the rest of the LBs appear solid, providing Orakpo matures at the 3-4 OLB spot (if not, he's got trade value to a team playing a 4-3 and needing an RDE). The place we need to shore up is the front three and there are some good 3-4 DL coming up as FAs in 2011 also.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We also have to rectify this knowing that given the current roster (read: age + salary structure), the 2011 team almost certainly won't be as good as the 2010 team.

There are plenty of things a team can do in the offseason to better its long term and short term fortunes. But the only thing a team can do to completely change the outlook of it's organization in a year is have an other worldly (better than 98% of all other) draft class. And we're already down two picks and retained only 2 players (plus 3 UDFAs) from this class.

So while it's about 11 months too early to have an accurate prediction for next year's Redskins (or even if there will be a next year's Redskins), it's worth pointing out that any move we make that hurts our chances to win this year is doing so at the expense of next year's team as well.

To be clear, I'm not saying that the 2011 team can't win. They can: but only if we ALREADY have the right balance of players to be successful now and in the future. If we cut Albert Haynesworth and have a poor rushing defense with limited pass rush, there's no silver lining. There's just decreased quality of defense going forward.

the run defense may be poor with or without him. but to me this is why the front office MUST get something in return. they simply can't let the guy walk w/out compensation.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

So based on what you've seen, you're not at all worried about rushing defense without AH in the lineup?

There are some things, like our running game for instance, that I'm comfortable with, even though it hasn't looked stellar so far. I can't say the same for rushing defense. With Barber, Choice, and Jones coming into town Sunday night, I'm afraid they might churn out 200 yards on the ground against us. But with AH, I'd feel safe in saying our prospects are much better.

Honestly he kinda scares me in the 3-4 with how undisciplined he plays. And there have been whispers from some players that they're concerned about him too.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Honestly he kinda scares me in the 3-4 with how undisciplined he plays. And there have been whispers from some players that they're concerned about him too.

I was concerned about this during the Jets game, and even AH himself talked about needing to be more disciplined in his game. I thought I saw some improvement against in the game against the Cards. Honestly, I think this is an issue with the whole line in general.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Honestly he kinda scares me in the 3-4 with how undisciplined he plays. And there have been whispers from some players that they're concerned about him too.

Shanahan spoke to that particular issue on his show on NBC with Larry Michael and Lindsay Czarnaik. He's afraid his undisciplined play will create holes in the defense that will allow runners to rip-off long gains by being out of position.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Shanahan spoke to that particular issue on his show on NBC with Larry Michael and Lindsay Czarnaik. He's afraid his undisciplined play will create holes in the defense that will allow runners to rip-off long gains by being out of position.

You mean MORE holes than the ones which were there in the preseason every time AH decided to do his own thing?

AH is in many ways a very talented liability.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Honestly he kinda scares me in the 3-4 with how undisciplined he plays. And there have been whispers from some players that they're concerned about him too.

Recent whispers or are we talking about the Fletcher/Daniels comments about from last year?