More Haynesworth Drama? Big Al Sounds Off After Ravens Game

[Lotus]

Despite his efforts to force the contrary, AH is not the important story from the Ravens game. Kareem Moore is.

[warpaint]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

This great sight used to be about intelligent football talk. When we had heated disagreements we would agree to disagree and move on.
Now we got drunk, violent and vulgar haters.
Internet tough guys calling Haynesworth a pussy?
Call him lazy, fat, greedy, childish, selfish or plain old stupid, but a pussy?
Haynesworth was the only Redskin to defend and throw down to defend his smaller teamates last year. Nobody else had the guts or the pride! Calling him a pussy to his face is incorrect and dangerous.
A true pussy is someone calling someone else a pussy from behind a computer screen and not his face.

I coudnt agree with you more here.

Its seems though he is so annoyed with something, I wonder if he would back them up this year. Maybe not just spite Shanny.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Internet tough guys calling Haynesworth a pussy?
Call him lazy, fat, greedy, childish, selfish or plain old stupid, but a pussy?

Calling him a pussy to his face is incorrect and dangerous.
A true pussy is someone calling someone else a pussy from behind a computer screen and not his face.

IMO on a fan football forum; lazy, fat, greedy, childish, selfish, just plain ol' stupid = putty cat.

haynesworth is a skins player, we are fans, we can type putty cat next to his name in our posts if we feel that way IMO.

the whole internet tough guy, hiding behind a computer screen cliche really doesnt apply to fans talking about a professional player.

if it was 2 average joes, then yes i agree that using fighting words over the net is putty cat.

just my 2 cents.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

This great sight used to be about intelligent football talk. When we had heated disagreements we would agree to disagree and move on.
Now we got drunk, violent and vulgar haters.
Internet tough guys calling Haynesworth a pussy?
Call him lazy, fat, greedy, childish, selfish or plain old stupid, but a pussy?
Haynesworth was the only Redskin to defend and throw down to defend his smaller teamates last year. Nobody else had the guts or the pride!
Calling him a pussy to his face is incorrec t and dangerous.
A true pussy is someone calling someone else a pussy from behind a computer screen and not his face.

Thats great in hockey, where post whistle intimidation is part of the game and enforcers are given a job. However in football that results in a 15 yard penalty. It's an honor to bait your opponent into smacking you after the whistle.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

This great sight used to be about intelligent football talk. When we had heated disagreements we would agree to disagree and move on.
Now we got drunk, violent and vulgar haters.
Internet tough guys calling Haynesworth a pussy?
Call him lazy, fat, greedy, childish, selfish or plain old stupid, but a pussy?
Haynesworth was the only Redskin to defend and throw down to defend his smaller teamates last year. Nobody else had the guts or the pride!
Calling him a pussy to his face is incorrect and dangerous.
A true pussy is someone calling someone else a pussy from behind a computer screen and not his face.

Really? So if anyone here has negative opinions about a player, if they voice them from behind a computer screen they're a pussy? Nah. It's a fan forum. This whole site is based on our opinions.

Nobody else had the guts or pride? I lol'd. The guy shoved a few dudes by the sideline. Big deal. He's a hot head. It's what he does. If it really came down to it, you don't think a London Fletcher or a Philip Daniels would back up their teammates? Come on.

The way Haynesworth has acted and carried himself, well, pussy is a darn good adjective if you ask me. Along with lazy, childish, fat, and arrogant.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

This great sight used to be about intelligent football talk. When we had heated disagreements we would agree to disagree and move on.
Now we got drunk, violent and vulgar haters.
Internet tough guys calling Haynesworth a pussy?
Call him lazy, fat, greedy, childish, selfish or plain old stupid, but a pussy?
Haynesworth was the only Redskin to defend and throw down to defend his smaller teamates last year. Nobody else had the guts or the pride!
Calling him a pussy to his face is incorrect and dangerous.
A true pussy is someone calling someone else a pussy from behind a computer screen and not his face.

So you think he's worth the hassle cause he defended a teammate in a fight? This isn't MMA. To me the guy is a pussy cause he let's his teammates down. To me that's the issue, not defending guys in a push and shove match.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Lotus

AH should not be cut. Then he gets what he wants (freedom) and we get nothing.

AH should be traded only if we can get something decent for him. Otherwise, he should be left to rot on the bench a la Lavar Arrington.

If he continues to use his mouth as a distraction, then he should be suspended, a la Keyshawn Johnson.

Shanny has done all of the right things. You can't let one player be bigger than the team.

I agree Lotus, but the big question is when is enough enough? Shanny should just hit the mute button(meaning ignore AH and his BS) with regards to AH and let him just screw around with the 2 string for the rest of his contract here. Sooner or later AH is going to wise up that we aren't going to release him and the longer he screws around the less likely any teams will want him once his contract with us is up. I wouldn't call this guy a pussy since he could beat my ass into the ground, but he definitely doesn't want to work. The guy is one lazy bastard!!!!

[mlmpetert]

Report: Haynesworth likely has rhabdomyolysis | ProFootballTalk.com

If this is the case, then i can understand him being upset about Shanahan just dismissing it as a headache.

Haynesworth wanting to play with the starters though is complete bs to me. He has missed a couple days of practice this week, missed 10 days because of conditioning, and did not attend offseason workouts. For him to feel entitled to play with the starters at this point is ridiculous.

[SFREDSKIN]

Rhabdomyolysis sidelined Haynesworth in practice

Add another problem to the long list of issues stirring conflict between Coach Mike Shanahan and defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth: rhabdomyolysis.

The condition causes the rapid breakdown of skeletal muscle because of injury to muscle tissue, and rhabdomyolysis is what sidelined Haynesworth in practice last week, three people familiar with the situation said Sunday.

Tony Wyllie, Redskins' senior vice president, said Sunday afternoon the team would have no comment on Haynesworth until Coach Mike Shanahan addreses the media after practice Monday.

Shanahan has discussed Haynesworth's symptoms but hasn't revealed an exact diagnosis. Experts say that Haynesworth's ability to play in Saturday's game likely means he's recovered from the condition. They also warn, though, that the fact that Haynesworth was suffering from rhabdomyolsis might also indicate that he wasn't in proper shape to practice in the summer heat.

"Rhabdomyolysis is basically a condition in which you have extensive muscle breakdown," said Dr. Lynne P. Yao, chairman-elect of the National Kidney Foundation. "It doesn't happen as often in well-conditioned athletes, but if there's really extreme circumstances -- like extremely hot weather -- than that could happen. when you have large amounts of muscle breakdown."

Experts say rhabdomyolysis is a breakdown of muscle fibers, which prompts the release of toxic myoglobin into the bloodstream.

Haynesworth lashed out after Saturday night's 23-3 loss to the Baltimore Ravens, saying the team is underplaying the severity of the medical condition that prompted him to sit out practice at Redskins Park. Haynesworth also contends that team officials are still holding his absence during the offseason conditioning program against him, and he announced he plans to skip next season's voluntary conditioning program.

In speaking with reporters after the game, Haynesworth never mentioned Shanahan by name, but multiple team sources said the two-time all-pro performer's anger is directed at Shanahan because he has described Haynesworth's condition as being "more of a headache than anything else." Haynesworth declined to reveal specifics about maladies that prompted him to cut short his participation in practice Tuesday as well as miss the sessions Wednesday and Thursday, but team medical personnel last week diagnosed him with Rhabdomyolysis.

The condition is caused by injury or strain and, in some cases, causes severe problems with kidney functions. People who experience severe physical trauma, such as car crashes, are more susceptible to rhabdomyolysis, experts say.

Another Redskins player suffered from rhabdomyolysis last season, one of the team sources said. Treatment includes the aggressive use of intravenous fluids, but there is no medication available.

In an interview late Saturday after the game, Haynesworth expressed frustration about the way things have been characterized because he "just wants people to say the truth about what's going on. That's it. A headache? That's not what's going on."

Meanwhile, several of Haynesworth's teammates simply shook their heads in disbelief when informed of the latest dust up between Shanahan and Haynesworth. One defensive veteran aware of Haynesworth's condition said he understood why Haynesworth was upset, but also sided with Shanahan in saying that Shanahan would never reveal details about any player's medical condition to the media.

Another defensive player tired of the conflict said he could not understand why Haynesworth seemed to be upset. It is common knowledge within the locker room that the Redskins plan for Haynesworth to start at right defensive end, his desired position in the team's new 3-4 scheme, and it just doesn't make sense for Haynesworth to continue to poke Shanahan, the player said.

"I know what type of player I am and what I can do" if the Redskins let him, he said in the interview late Saturday night. "I just want people to tell the truth."

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Thats great in hockey, where post whistle intimidation is part of the game and enforcers are given a job. However in football that results in a 15 yard penalty. It's an honor to bait your opponent into smacking you after the whistle.

No sir, I am talking about immediately after the whistle 175 pound DeAngelo Hall was getting his ass kicked by two large NY giants 265 pounfd Jacobs abd 300 pound Beatty. Haynesworth was the only one to come in a defend DeAngelo. The other Redskins stood and watched. Which it sounds like given your response above is what you would do in that situation.
I am not talking about a player picking a fight just to be an a-hole or a bully.That I agree with you is for other sports.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

IMO on a fan football forum; lazy, fat, greedy, childish, selfish, just plain ol' stupid = putty cat.

haynesworth is a skins player, we are fans, we can type putty cat next to his name in our posts if we feel that way IMO.

the whole internet tough guy, hiding behind a computer screen cliche really doesnt apply to fans talking about a professional player.

if it was 2 average joes, then yes i agree that using fighting words over the net is putty cat.

just my 2 cents.

You are entitled to your opinion. I will respect it even if I do not agree with it.
IMO Haynesworth is a member of the human race just like you and I are. To make diffrent rules for diffrent sectors of the population usually leads to problems.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Thats great in hockey, where post whistle intimidation is part of the game and enforcers are given a job. However in football that results in a 15 yard penalty. It's an honor to bait your opponent into smacking you after the whistle.

It is also weak and seriously lacking of team pride to stand by and watch your teammate get his ass kicked by TWO other opponents.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Really? So if anyone here has negative opinions about a player, if they voice them from behind a computer screen they're a pussy? Nah. It's a fan forum. This whole site is based on our opinions.

Nobody else had the guts or pride? I lol'd. The guy shoved a few dudes by the sideline. Big deal. He's a hot head. It's what he does. If it really came down to it, you don't think a London Fletcher or a Philip Daniels would back up their teammates? Come on.

The way Haynesworth has acted and carried himself, well, pussy is a darn good adjective if you ask me. Along with lazy, childish, fat, and arrogant.

Did you read my post? I said,
"Internet tough guys calling Haynesworth a pussy?
Call him lazy, fat, greedy, childish, selfish or plain old stupid, but a pussy?
Haynesworth was the only Redskin to defend and throw down to defend his smaller teamates last year. Nobody else had the guts or the pride!
Calling him a pussy to his face is incorrect and dangerous.
A true pussy is someone calling someone else a pussy from behind a computer screen and not his face."

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

So you think he's worth the hassle cause he defended a teammate in a fight? This isn't MMA. To me the guy is a pussy cause he let's his teammates down. To me that's the issue, not defending guys in a push and shove match.

I am not sure if he is worth it. Much less am I saying because he defends teamates he is worth it.
My only point is in my opinion some of you guys in an attempt to be funny incorrectly threw around the word pussy and I am just trying to point it out.
Haynesworth being a selfish ass and letting his teammates and fans down is many negative things. But pussy is not the right word. That is all. A pussy is someone who backs down from a fight because he is afraid. Not someone who runs into a fight to defend a friend and teamate.

[GusFrerotte]

Rhabdomyolysis: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia

Just googled rhabdomylosis. Hopefully AH did indeed just had a bought with this. If chronic, his kidneys are in for a tough time. They better have tons of gatorade for him. I think this might be a classic the boy who cried wolf type of situation. The guy made noise/ held out too much that was BS and now folks don't believe him when he is really sick. I wouldn't be surprised if he contracted it going nuts losing all that weight. Whatever the case, this drama needs to be put to rest.