Shanahan The New Head Coach Of the Redskins

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

So if Shanahan would have decided at the 11th hour that he changed his mind and didn't want to come to DC would Allen have been fired?

Actually, thats a distinct possibility.

Originally Posted by Paintrain

It's not a matter of 'believing the hype' but the past 3 weeks have been a departure from business as usual under Snyder. It's a far cry from 'if it's not broke don't fix it' to Snyder taking responsibility and apologizing 3 times since October. I understand cynicism but there's a fine line between that and just being a negative nancy.

I guess thats the difference - you're taking everything that's been said at face value. I was skeptical and every day there's new information that reinforces my skepticism. Are the skins better now than they were a month ago - yes. Shanahan's a better coach than Zorn. Is Allen a better GM than Cerrato? In most areas - yes. However we still don't have a proven personnel guy making player decisions. Allen's draft record (Tampa Bay only - he had nothing to do with the draft in Oakland) is worse than Vinnys. Shanahan's is very good offensively and very poor defensively. In the short term, thats fine - our offense needs the most work now anyways. However, in the long term, our defense is going to decline. we'll have a team thats probably about as talented overall as the one we have now, just better coached. And it will only last as long as Allen can keep Snyder and Shanahan from butting heads.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Actually, thats a distinct possibility.

Wow. I'd call that a stretch, but calling that a stretch in itself is a stretch.

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I guess thats the difference - you're taking everything that's been said at face value. I was skeptical and every day there's new information that reinforces my skepticism. Are the skins better now than they were a month ago - yes. Shanahan's a better coach than Zorn. Is Allen a better GM than Cerrato? In most areas - yes. However we still don't have a proven personnel guy making player decisions. Allen's draft record (Tampa Bay only - he had nothing to do with the draft in Oakland) is worse than Vinnys. Shanahan's is very good offensively and very poor defensively. In the short term, thats fine - our offense needs the most work now anyways. However, in the long term, our defense is going to decline. we'll have a team thats probably about as talented overall as the one we have now, just better coached. And it will only last as long as Allen can keep Snyder and Shanahan from butting heads.

Well I guess it's just a difference in personality and perspective. I'd rather trust the evidence I see and give the benefit of the doubt than view everything in a skeptical light and anticipate the worst.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Wow. I'd call that a stretch, but calling that a stretch in itself is a stretch.



Well I guess it's just a difference in personality and perspective. I'd rather trust the evidence I see and give the benefit of the doubt than view everything in a skeptical light and anticipate the worst.

whats that saying: fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me. right now we've been fooled how many times? Snyder's like the boy who cried wolf in the sense that he's lost the benefit of the doubt. And its not like there isn't evidence right now that everything's on the "up and up." He's guilty until proven innocent.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Actually, thats a distinct possibility.



I guess thats the difference - you're taking everything that's been said at face value. I was skeptical and every day there's new information that reinforces my skepticism. Are the skins better now than they were a month ago - yes. Shanahan's a better coach than Zorn. Is Allen a better GM than Cerrato? In most areas - yes. However we still don't have a proven personnel guy making player decisions. Allen's draft record (Tampa Bay only - he had nothing to do with the draft in Oakland) is worse than Vinnys. Shanahan's is very good offensively and very poor defensively. In the short term, thats fine - our offense needs the most work now anyways. However, in the long term, our defense is going to decline. we'll have a team thats probably about as talented overall as the one we have now, just better coached. And it will only last as long as Allen can keep Snyder and Shanahan from butting heads.

I think this is a funny sentence given your desire for Cowher to come here. Cowher would have lasted no more than one year, like Marty, because he would have pressured Snyder at every turn. Shanahan knows Snyder's personality, and worked closely with Bowlen and knows how to handle an owner's involvement and keep him involved, without giving authority up to the owner.

I am curious what a "better process" would have looked like in your opinion?