Zorn nowhere near considering a QB change

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by Chevy13

Also by watching the MNF game I noticed Rodgers didn't have too much time (sacked 8 times) and he still throw for 384 yards and 2TD's with 1 pick not bad for a QB being pressured and hit so much, not bad for a QB who was on his 20th start. It is my opinion that JC will never be a dynamic QB like what Rodgers could potentially be. I think it'd be stupid to sit him now because wether he'll be a big time QB or not he's still playing well and is one of the very few bright spots of the team. I just cant help but notice that young QB's like rodgers (with half as many starts) just look like they have something special that JC will probably never have. I hope I'm wrong and he starts stepping it up even more and starts throwing some TDs (or find a coach that can call some plays that can actually help us score)

Remember Rogers has been in the same offense even when he did not play due to Brett Farve starting. JC had how many OC and offenses to learn?

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

Remember Rogers has been in the same offense even when he did not play due to Brett Farve starting. JC had how many OC and offenses to learn?

..and who did he have to learn from? He definitely didn't have Favre..lol.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

..and who did he have to learn from? He definitely didn't have Favre..lol.

Farve and Rodgers is a poor mans Montana and Young. Ironically those two also seemed to have a limited relationship to this day.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

Remember Rogers has been in the same offense even when he did not play due to Brett Farve starting. JC had how many OC and offenses to learn?

Never fails. Orton,Cutler and how many other new QB's have changed not only offenses but TEAMS and are still doing well? Im sorry but This excuse is OLD.
JC isnt getting killed in the pocket and our wr's are better than some of these teams that are scoring more than us. Either its Zorn or its JC, id have to say both. IMO Zorn is in over his head and JC is still JC.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Never fails. Orton,Cutler and how many other new QB's have changed not only offenses but TEAMS and are still doing well? Im sorry but This excuse is OLD.
JC isnt getting killed in the pocket and our wr's are better than some of these teams that are scoring more than us. Either its Zorn or its JC, id have to say both. IMO Zorn is in over his head and JC is still JC.

If I am not mistaken. Orton had been in one system. As well as Orton. Our WRs are better than Marshall (Do you know who he is?) Royal & Stokley. Are you really serious? Both of these players have been in the same system for a while until this year. He isn't getting killed but he is not getting the best protection either. The line is at best so-so. How is our running game doing? Guess the line is doing good run blocking also. Oh I forgot CP is so old he can't play anymore. Then you say Zorn is the problem. But that doesn't affect QB play. Wasn't he brought in to help JC. How many offenses has JC been in? Please tell me. This is only his second year in Zorns offense. Were we running WCO before? Please come again. Have you been drinking tonight?

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

If I am not mistaken. Orton had been in one system. As well as Orton. Our WRs are better than Marshall (Do you know who he is?) Royal & Stokley. Are you really serious? Both of these players have been in the same system for a while until this year. He isn't getting killed but he is not getting the best protection either. The line is at best so-so. How is our running game doing? Guess the line is doing good run blocking also. Oh I forgot CP is so old he can't play anymore. Then you say Zorn is the problem. But that doesn't affect QB play. Wasn't he brought in to help JC. How many offenses has JC been in? Please tell me. This is only his second year in Zorns defense. Were we running WCO before? Please come again. Have you been drinking tonight?

Didnt know Zorn had a DEFENSE... please put down the bottle.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Didnt know Zorn had a DEFENSE... please put down the bottle.

I meant offense. Your lack of common sense is rubbing off on me. I guess that's the only thing you can pick out of what I said. Its corrected but your idiotic statement remains. You said we have better weapons than Denver. LMFAO.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Never fails. Orton,Cutler and how many other new QB's have changed not only offenses but TEAMS and are still doing well? Im sorry but This excuse is OLD.
JC isnt getting killed in the pocket and our wr's are better than some of these teams that are scoring more than us. Either its Zorn or its JC, id have to say both. IMO Zorn is in over his head and JC is still JC.

Writing is also fundamental. If you use Orton and Cutler as the QBs for your example that means you are including them in this discussion.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Writing is also fundamental. If you use Orton and Cutler as the QBs for your example that means you are including them in this discussion.

NO i said QB's like those 2 have changed teams and offenses, THEN which means different scenerio i said teams with wrs worse than ours are scoring more. So dont try to backpedal now that you misread and put your foot in your mouth.

[Chevy13]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Writing is also fundamental. If you use Orton and Cutler as the QBs for your example that means you are including them in this discussion.

You might need someone to help you read these posts because I supposedly said many things that weren't there. There's no need to assume or try to read more into what someone is trying to say, just read what they said and respond to that not what you think they are trying to say. You should try to be one of those sports journalists they like to twist and take things out of context all the time...

[sancho2613]

Originally Posted by Chevy13

You might need someone to help you read these posts because I supposedly said many things that weren't there. There's no need to assume or try to read more into what someone is trying to say, just read what they said and respond to that not what you think they are trying to say. You should try to be one of those sports journalists they like to twist and take things out of context all the time...

uh oh I hope he isn't going to say that Santana Moss sucks by what I just said.. oh dang now he's going to say I hate Cooley too....

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Chevy13

You might need someone to help you read these posts because I supposedly said many things that weren't there. There's no need to assume or try to read more into what someone is trying to say, just read what they said and respond to that not what you think they are trying to say. You should try to be one of those sports journalists they like to twist and take things out of context all the time...

Dude my response was to DBUCHANON101 and you. Sorry I didn't specify. But a far as Joe Flacco. I was just saying he was set up to succeed and was brought in to a team with a good running game and great defense --these can beee a rookie QB's best friends. Not that he didn't have any talent. Did you say anything about Orton & Cutler? No you didn't. Maybe you need to read posts a little better. Twist that.

[Chevy13]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Dude my response was to DBUCHANON101 and you. Sorry I didn't specify. But a far as Joe Flacco. I was just saying he was set up to succeed and was brought in to a team with a good running game and great defense --these can beee a rookie QB's best friends. Not that he didn't have any talent. Did you say anything about Orton & Cutler? No you didn't. Maybe you need to read posts a little better. Twist that.

No "Dude" I was responding to how you were saying things that weren't on my post just like you did with DBUCHANON101 saying he was talking about those receivers when he said nothing about those specific receivers. You twisted his like mine but it's no big deal I don't really care you have good points he did get the good defense and running game (which I never said he didn't have). what I've been trying to say is apart from his defense he just seems to manage the OFFENSE better as a rookie or just as well as JC with more than a few years experience. I see more potential in Flacco to be a top notch QB than I do for JC as he seems to put the offense on his shoulders at times and makes big plays so NO i'm not sayin JC sucks or that JC will never be a great QB I don't want you to "twist" my words I saying that ME as a fan I think Flacco can make the big plays and score points and JC just hasn't been doing it (consistently). and YES I believe changing play books hurt his progress but I'm not willing to use that excuse for all his flaws like you are. Yes it would be hard for him to adjust and he might struggle but I think he should still have made more progress than he has he's a professional QB and he knows how to make a pass pain and simple he doesn't have the timing down yet but how much longer is that going to be the excuse????

[Chevy13]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

Remember Rogers has been in the same offense even when he did not play due to Brett Farve starting. JC had how many OC and offenses to learn?

I'm sorry I don't buy that him learning different offenses affects him as much as most people here do. I'm not saying it won't make it hard for him because it's obviosly not the situation you want a young QB to be in but just making a pass sometimes is just that throwing the ball and I just don't see that unique spark you see from QB's like Brady or Favre. I understand that many of you see it but I just don't, I'm not saying your wrong It's just my opinion that he could still be a successful QB I don't want to keep giving excuses for why hasn't been even close to reaching his potential. I'm not willing to make that same excuse for the next 4 years...

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

..and who did he have to learn from? He definitely didn't have Favre..lol.

Yeah it would be neat to see JC throw off his back foot and off balance or throwing into triple coverage ... No but it's a good point but I'm sorry I just don't see him becoming one of those elite QB's and I do agree that not having the weapons doesn't help

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by Chevy13

I'm sorry I don't buy that him learning different offenses affects him as much as most people here do. I'm not saying it won't make it hard for him because it's obviosly not the situation you want a young QB to be in but just making a pass sometimes is just that throwing the ball and I just don't see that unique spark you see from QB's like Brady or Favre. I understand that many of you see it but I just don't, I'm not saying your wrong It's just my opinion that he could still be a successful QB I don't want to keep giving excuses for why hasn't been even close to reaching his potential. I'm not willing to make that same excuse for the next 4 years...



Yeah it would be neat to see JC throw off his back foot and off balance or throwing into triple coverage ... No but it's a good point but I'm sorry I just don't see him becoming one of those elite QB's and I do agree that not having the weapons doesn't help

Last i checked Moss and Cooley were pretty good.