Seems like Cutler might be available.

[SouperMeister]

Not interested - any guy this sensitive is a diva, the last thing we need at QB.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Not interested - any guy this sensitive is a diva, the last thing we need at QB.

A talented young QB acting like a diva...amazing! Didn't John Elway act like a diva before he even got in the league? All Cutler wants is a head coach that is not pining for Cassel. I will take him on my team anyday.

[Gmanc711]

I guess I just still don't get the hate for Campbell. I really think he's progressing well enough to be a solid starter for us for a number of years into the future...

I don't put him on any elite level by any standards, but I just don't understand why we can't give this guy time. He's played better than just about any other QB we've had in the last 20 years (going post 1991), minus Johnson...I think we need to just let him develop.


(Thats not saying I would not take a guy like Cutler, but I just don't get the hate on Campbell... not so much in this thread as in general)

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I like Jason Campbell more than most, but I would take Cutler in a heartbeat. I disagree with you, however, when you imply that he is available or that the Broncos would deal him for a 1st round pick. The teams that approached them did so because McDaniels is the new coach and they though maybe he would rather bring Cassell with him to Denver. Didn't happen and the Broncos would be absolutely insane to trade Cutler for the 13th pick. Cutler is the best young QB in the league. If Denver can get a run game he'll be one of the great ones. So I'd take him, but he ain't coming.

If JC doesn't produce this season or significantly improve he should be let go. I just see an average NFL QB in him at best if he doesn't do it this season. With that being said, Zorn too has to produce to keep his job. I don't think it will happen, but if a trade could be done, that might be something to look into in order to have something to build upon post JC/Zorn. Collins is too old anyway. Also, with Cutler in the fold, maybe that will light a fire under JC to perform better. The '10 QB class is going to be very good, but if we just repeat our record last season those guys will be long gone by the time our draft slot is on the clock.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

I guess I just still don't get the hate for Campbell. I really think he's progressing well enough to be a solid starter for us for a number of years into the future...

I don't put him on any elite level by any standards, but I just don't understand why we can't give this guy time. He's played better than just about any other QB we've had in the last 20 years (going post 1991), minus Johnson...I think we need to just let him develop.


(Thats not saying I would not take a guy like Cutler, but I just don't get the hate on Campbell... not so much in this thread as in general)

It is not hate, just disillusionment. With the help of the Redskin Park propaganda machine, this kid was talked up way too much I think. He has a lot of talent for sure, but his success at Auburn was with a nice O line and the best backfield college football has ever seen in a very long time. As for him being the best Skin QB post '91, with the exception of Brad Johnson, that isn't saying much. He still has to surpass Frerotte in passing yardage(on par to do that by midseason '09), and unless he can get real production from those rook WR's he will have to wait til next season to beat Frerotte's TD mark on the all time list. That being said, any other post '91 Qb hasn't started for more than 2 seasons anyway, with the exception of Gus, so any average to decent QB is bound to be the best of the bunch.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

It is not hate, just disillusionment. With the help of the Redskin Park propaganda machine, this kid was talked up way too much I think. He has a lot of talent for sure, but his success at Auburn was with a nice O line and the best backfield college football has ever seen in a very long time. As for him being the best Skin QB post '91, with the exception of Brad Johnson, that isn't saying much. He still has to surpass Frerotte in passing yardage(on par to do that by midseason '09), and unless he can get real production from those rook WR's he will have to wait til next season to beat Frerotte's TD mark on the all time list. That being said, any other post '91 Qb hasn't started for more than 2 seasons anyway, with the exception of Gus, so any average to decent QB is bound to be the best of the bunch.

Does the Redskins propaganda machine also own the rights to Campbell's career statistics (college and pro) and his game film? If so, I have every right to call conspiracy theory, re: Campbell is a good QB!

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by celts32

A talented young QB acting like a diva...amazing! Didn't John Elway act like a diva before he even got in the league? All Cutler wants is a head coach that is not pining for Cassel. I will take him on my team anyday.

It'll be a treat having both CP and JCutler sarcastically call Zorn a 'genius', saying '...can't throw on my behind', 'give me an elite line to...' etc. They'd make great homies...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Cutler kind of has had a reputation for being a jerk in league circles long before all this started.

He's always seemed like a punk to me. Maybe now we know why Rivers hates him so much.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

If JC doesn't produce this season or significantly improve he should be let go.I just see an average NFL QB in him at best if he doesn't do it this season. With that being said, Zorn too has to produce to keep his job.

What is the definition of produce? As Tripp said, his stats show he is productive. I assume you mean number of wins, or going deep into the playoffs, I just wonder what you need to see from him to make you say he should stay.

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

I don't think it will happen, but if a trade could be done, that might be something to look into in order to have something to build upon post JC/Zorn. Collins is too old anyway. Also, with Cutler in the fold, maybe that will light a fire under JC to perform better. The '10 QB class is going to be very good, but if we just repeat our record last season those guys will be long gone by the time our draft slot is on the clock.

Do you think Cutler would come here to be JC's backup??? never in a million years. If he came JC would go, or we would have the biggest QB controversy since Babe/Heath.

We just need to say no, of course, I doubt the question was ever really asked.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

It'll be a treat having both CP and JCutler sarcastically call Zorn a 'genius', saying '...can't throw on my behind', 'give me an elite line to...' etc. They'd make great homies...

Well personally I would like to send CP packing but his cap number sort of prevents that.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Not interested - any guy this sensitive is a diva, the last thing we need at QB.

The more I hear about this story the more I agree wih you. Cutler seems like a spoiled baby. I just heard he's not even returning calls from the owner. That's just insane, If the guy that signs your check calls you, you pick up the damn phone.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

He's always seemed like a punk to me. Maybe now we know why Rivers hates him so much.

Well Rivers rep is not all that great either. A lot of QB's are cocky and diva like...these two guys have probably been told they were great since they were 8 years old. Of course they have big egos.

[Paintrain]

A quick Campbell/Cutler comparison-
JC (Jason Campbell)-36 starts, 16-20 W-L record, 35 TD, 23 INT, 80.4 QB rating

JC (Jay Cutler)-37 starts, 17-20 W-L record, 54 TD, 37 INT, 87.1 QB rating

Cutler has been in a much more passer friendly, aggressive offense for his starts that Campbell was. He also had elite level WR talent in Brandon Marshall and had Rod Smith for his first 21 starts. Add in an established offense and experienced coach/playcaller in Shanahan it's not hard to figure out why he shines a little brighter in the TD category.

Where it really matters however is in the W-L column. Cutler has never won anywhere, not in college, not in the pros. Is he really that much of an upgrade from Campbell?

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

A quick Campbell/Cutler comparison-
JC (Jason Campbell)-36 starts, 16-20 W-L record, 35 TD, 23 INT, 80.4 QB rating

JC (Jay Cutler)-37 starts, 17-20 W-L record, 54 TD, 37 INT, 87.1 QB rating

Cutler has been in a much more passer friendly, aggressive offense for his starts that Campbell was. He also had elite level WR talent in Brandon Marshall and had Rod Smith for his first 21 starts. Add in an established offense and experienced coach/playcaller in Shanahan it's not hard to figure out why he shines a little brighter in the TD category.

Where it really matters however is in the W-L column. Cutler has never won anywhere, not in college, not in the pros. Is he really that much of an upgrade from Campbell?

In my mind he is...but I am not here to bash Campbell. I think Campbell can develop into a good starter. I just think Cutler has already shown he's a good starter and he could become great.

I discount Cutlers W/L record becasue his defense is awful.

[MTK]

Was his defense terrible in college too? Just asking I really didn't follow him in college.