We should re-sign Jason Taylor (yea i said it)

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by holcknowsbest

i garuntee he is doing it, and i think the same myths you are talking about with carter are true for taylor. he is not turning his back on plays, thats bs. he is getting extended and doing fine. dline man dont make plays in the run game, they make assignments and the lbs make the plays. i mean get real here, carter and him are more than comparative this year in the run game and the rushing the passer game....i think you see 8.5 million and expect superman, me too but i dont think he is not doing his job, he is just not being superman but in the words of greg blache he is not doing more than he is asked. blache says thats not what this team needs.

Yeah, but you don't get partial credit for just having the assignment. You have to, you know, go do it.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by holcknowsbest

i am tired of this argument that he is a liability in the run game.......seriously if you think that you are not watching the game....he does a great job of taking on the tackle and getting extended. i promise you that is his job. his job is not to make a play in the run game its to do his job so that our linbackers can make the plays. this defense is a gap to gap d and if he doesnt let guy outside of him and if he engages the tackle or tightend he has done his job. so long as they dont bury him and move on he is doing his job...coach blache talks about this all the time, not trying to do to much....if you want him to make more plays in the run game then you need to call for a new defensive coordinator, because it wont happen in this defense. most defenses in EVERY LEVEL OF FOOTBALL teach this, in fact coaches want the DLINE TO HOLD! there guy who is blocking them. almost every run defense is designed this way and jason taylor does his job just fine in the run game....for godsakes this argument can go on and on but you have to know what you are talking about and back it up if you are going to say that jason taylor is a liability in the run game.........says who that knows anything about football?

I know exactly what I'm talking about. The job of the LDE in the run game is to ENGAGE the man on his inside shoulder and FIGHT PRESSURE, you even said it yourself "DLINE TO HOLD" your position, not get run to the damn sideline. On any off-tackle play or stretch play the LDE is key to squeezing down the running lanes. If he can't do that, you're leaving huge holes to run through. Obviously the LDE shouldn't get hooked, but if he's fighting pressure and maintaining outside position that shouldn't be an issue. If he's doubled, then that frees up an LB to make the play and hold contain. JT has been a RDE his whole career, he's proto-typical for that position, hence his past success there. He's not an LDE who is normally bigger and stronger, also the technique is different because there are normally more double teams at LDE and many teams run more to the offensive right.

Before you question what someone's talking about get your facts straight and make sure you're up on your football knowledge and D-Line techniques. Listening to a Blache presser vs. actually coaching are two different things.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I know exactly what I'm talking about. The job of the LDE in the run game is to ENGAGE the man on his inside shoulder and FIGHT PRESSURE, you even said it yourself "DLINE TO HOLD" your position, not get run to the damn sideline. On any off-tackle play or stretch play the LDE is key to squeezing down the running lanes. If he can't do that, you're leaving huge holes to run through. Obviously the LDE shouldn't get hooked, but if he's fighting pressure and maintaining outside position that shouldn't be an issue. If he's doubled, then that frees up an LB to make the play and hold contain. JT has been a RDE his whole career, he's proto-typical for that position, hence his past success there. He's not an LDE who is normally bigger and stronger, also the technique is different because there are normally more double teams at LDE and many teams run more to the offensive right.

Before you question what someone's talking about get your facts straight and make sure you're up on your football knowledge and D-Line techniques. Listening to a Blache presser vs. actually coaching are two different things.

Thank you Slinging Sammy, I did not even want to waste my time. I am glad you explain it correctly.

[over the mountain]

^^ gallery is getting some serious coin right now, it would have to be a sign and trade deal to lower his cap hit but i dont see him taking less money when hes got a kings ransom in his back pocket.

[GTripp0012]

I honestly don't think there's a wrong move here. But that's because I'm a glass half-full kind of guy. If you're more pessimistic by nature, then maybe there's no right move.

He's going to be expensive to keep, and we're in no way financially committed to him. Having him back next year will definitely help our four man pass rush. But if Blache is just going to do the same blitz packages he's doing now next year, there's no point in having Jason Taylor.

If Cerrato's got what it takes to be a good GM, he's already looking at the 2nd rounder that we traded for him as a sunk cost. Look, we all make mistakes, and an under the gun overbuy like Taylor is excusable. But you have to call the joint chiefs together, decide if Jason Taylor is worth $8 million for next season, and if he's not then you have to let him go.

[firstdown]

I think Dancing With The Stars made him light on his toes.

[redskinsrob]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I think Dancing With The Stars made him light on his toes.

An offseason of strickly football conditioning will take care of that.

[mauiRedskinbarn]

sometimes it takes a year or two for a player to learn the system, and to learn how to play with different teammates. look at Joey Porter, he had a terrible year last year, now he's on the verge of being defensive mvp.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by mauiRedskinbarn

sometimes it takes a year or two for a player to learn the system, and to learn how to play with different teammates. look at Joey Porter, he had a terrible year last year, now he's on the verge of being defensive mvp.

That is a poor argument. DT has two main jobs to contain the outside and to rush the passer. Yes teams have them do different things but the job itself is the same. If he was doing better then below average that argument might hold but he is not even doing that. Porter is a LB and has alot of other duties that take time to learn.

[irish]

JT hasnt been healthy all year. I think they should keep him thru the end of his contract next year (hopefully be be healthy) and they send him on his way.

[djnemo65]

This thread is about a year early, since he has a year left and it's exrtremely unlikely he'll be cut. While he has been beyond disappointing this season he has had a spate of injuries. It is not unreasonable to expect him to contribute next year. Unless it becomes a salary cap issue, for example we need cash to bring in Asomugha (hey, I can dream right) he'll play for us next year, and perhaps play well.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

This thread is about a year early, since he has a year left and it's exrtremely unlikely he'll be cut. While he has been beyond disappointing this season he has had a spate of injuries. It is not unreasonable to expect him to contribute next year. Unless it becomes a salary cap issue, for example we need cash to bring in Asomugha (hey, I can dream right) he'll play for us next year, and perhaps play well.

Any cap money saved if Taylor is released SHOULD NOT go toward another CB. We needed to address interior line depth on both sides of the ball and that is still our biggest issue.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Any cap money saved if Taylor is released SHOULD NOT go toward another CB. We needed to address interior line depth on both sides of the ball and that is still our biggest issue.

I think that's a fair point but Nnamdi is a special guy. Given that Springs is likely to be gone next year, we are either going to have to resign Hall or bring someone else in. I don't trust Smoot as a number two for the season.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

I think that's a fair point but Nnamdi is a special guy. Given that Springs is likely to be gone next year, we are either going to have to resign Hall or bring someone else in. I don't trust Smoot as a number two for the season.

Smoot would be plenty good enough if we had a strong D-line that could pressure the QB. A great pass rush makes average CBs look much better. That said, I do want to see D. Hall resigned - he's a good athlete, he's young, and he wants to resurrect his image. In addition, we wouldn't need to break the bank for Hall. Asomugha is going to command insane money, but Oakland will almost certainly slap the franchise tag on him.

[holcknowsbest]

i would resign him and hopefully for less money because 8.5 million is a hit to the cap....but we are good at hiding larger contracts with some sort of convertion to bonuses. he would be better suited in a 3-4 as the rush linebacker, but i think the rest of our defense would suffer personel wise in the scheme........i dont see carter inside a tackle or a tru nose on our roster, i also think it would limit fletcher who is such a good 4-3 mike. but in a 4-3 he has to play end and he is still a very good player, i dont think we have seen his best yet.