Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)

[J. Spanky]

with the addition of taylor, the steady improvement we've seen from montgomery and wilson, carter's consistency, griff's ability when healthy and (fingers crossed) the possibility of a healthy erasmus james, is it possible that the d-line could (gasp!) suddenly become the strength of our defense???

[MTK]

Originally Posted by J. Spanky

with the addition of taylor, the steady improvement we've seen from montgomery and wilson, carter's consistency, griff's ability when healthy and (fingers crossed) the possibility of a healthy erasmus james, is it possible that the d-line could (gasp!) suddenly become the strength of our defense???

The D-line was underrated last year. From a pass rushing point of view the line is definitely much improved now. JT isn't a slouch against the run either.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The D-line was underrated last year. From a pass rushing point of view the line is definitely much improved now. JT isn't a slouch against the run either.

Yes, yes he is. Pretty much has been his whole career.

Not lazy, or unwilling to improve. Just brutally ineffective.

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Yes, yes he is. Pretty much has been his whole career.

Not lazy, or unwilling to improve. Just brutally ineffective.

Somehow he was effective enough to be NFL Defensive Player of the Year in 2006. Somehow he is effective enough to be consistently ranked among the best at his position.

I see your point about the run defense maybe dropping off a notch. But the pass defense just got raised three or four notches, I'll take that trade off.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

Somehow he was effective enough to be NFL Defensive Player of the Year in 2006. Somehow he is effective enough to be consistently ranked among the best at his position.

I see your point about the run defense maybe dropping off a notch. But the pass defense just got raised three or four notches, I'll take that trade off.

I think it makes our defense significantly better this year. Daniels wasn't very good at all against the run last year, and though Taylor isn't an improvement in that respect, he will bring plenty of additional pass rush that we wouldn't have had otherwise.

If we make the playoffs this year, I think the move will justify itself. If we don't make the playoffs, then it probably wasn't a good idea. There's no doubt we're a better team now than we were yesterday, but better doesn't mean we become favorites in the division or anything.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think it makes our defense significantly better this year. Daniels wasn't very good at all against the run last year, and though Taylor isn't an improvement in that respect, he will bring plenty of additional pass rush that we wouldn't have had otherwise.

If we make the playoffs this year, I think the move will justify itself. If we don't make the playoffs, then it probably wasn't a good idea. There's no doubt we're a better team now than we were yesterday, but better doesn't mean we become favorites in the division or anything.

I sometimes agree with you Tripp...but this one kinda confuses me.
Can you tell us if this is your opinion or fact?
Hell...they put him at DT...and that job is almost exclusively stopping the run.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If we make the playoffs this year, I think the move will justify itself. If we don't make the playoffs, then it probably wasn't a good idea.

Jim Zorn: Vinny, we just lost Daniels for the year and Buzbee is gone too. What do we do? We need a decision pretty quickly on the Jason Taylor thing because as other injuries pile up across the league the Fins will have other offers.

Vinny: Jim, if I get JT, can you tell me we'll make the playoffs? If you tell me we'll definitely make the playoffs, then OK. If not, then this may be a bad idea.

Jim Zorn: ?????

Nothing like hedging your bets. Unfortunately VC needs to make the best decision based on the information at hand and the current situation. If he has JT's word that he'll play at least two more seasons, there is no reason not to make this happen, based on our situation at DE.

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Jim Zorn: Vinny, we just lost Daniels for the year and Buzbee is gone too. What do we do? We need a decision pretty quickly on the Jason Taylor thing because as other injuries pile up across the league the Fins will have other offers.

Vinny: Jim, if I get JT, can you tell me we'll make the playoffs? If you tell me we'll definitely make the playoffs, then OK. If not, then this may be a bad idea.

Jim Zorn: ?????

Nothing like hedging your bets. Unfortunately VC needs to make the best decision based on the information at hand and the current situation. If he has JT's word that he'll play at least two more seasons, there is no reason not to make this happen, based on our situation at DE.

Exactly. There is no guarantee, I think the Patriots in the Super Bowl were as close to a guarantee as I've ever seen in the NFL and even they lost. Plus, how will Zorn know if we're going to make the playoffs before they even finish the first day of training camp? Heck, we didn't even know we were going to make the playoffs last year until AFTER we beat Dallas in the last game of the year.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Jim Zorn: Vinny, we just lost Daniels for the year and Buzbee is gone too. What do we do? We need a decision pretty quickly on the Jason Taylor thing because as other injuries pile up across the league the Fins will have other offers.

Vinny: Jim, if I get JT, can you tell me we'll make the playoffs? If you tell me we'll definitely make the playoffs, then OK. If not, then this may be a bad idea.

Jim Zorn: ?????

Nothing like hedging your bets. Unfortunately VC needs to make the best decision based on the information at hand and the current situation. If he has JT's word that he'll play at least two more seasons, there is no reason not to make this happen, based on our situation at DE.

Haha. Nice.

Though, I think that's Vinny's call whether or not Jason Taylor gets us back over the top. Realistically, I think it gets us closer, but closer doesn't count.

Thing is, with Jason Campbell right on the edge of maturity, I think we could do some real damage in the playoffs if we can make it. We might be good enough to catch Dallas now, but we're still going to need some injury luck to catch Philly and/or the Giants (or Eli could implode again).

There's nothing wrong with trying to get as close to your competition as possible I suppose. Either way, I'm going to avoid grading this trade with hindsight. You're right, even though getting into the playoffs may justify this deal in my mind, I can't act like I would have done the same thing, even if it ends up working.