Greg Blache stands up to Cerrato and Synder...

[FRPLG]

The issue is more with JLC's wording to me. He clearly has a little bit of a bias against the FO for whatever reason so when he writes a story like this he uses words like "enamored" to indicate that Snyeratto thought this was the greatest idea ever and couldn't believe the coaches disagreed. But in the end they listened grudgingly. I have no idea but something tells me the discussions were more along the lines of "Hey here are some guys who were productive in the past what do you coaches think?" "They suck? Ok. Nevermind."

We have to remember that it is more than likely that most of JLCs sources have some type of dislike for Snyder and the FO. Maybe not at a deep level but the fact that they are anonymous sources on closely guarded discussions indicates they aren't lap dogs for Snyderatto. That probably slants his views.

All in all...move along, nothing to see here.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

The issue is more with JLC's wording to me. He clearly has a little bit of a bias against the FO for whatever reason so when he writes a story like this he uses words like "enamored" to indicate that Snyeratto thought this was the greatest idea ever and couldn't believe the coaches disagreed. But in the end they listened grudgingly. I have no idea but something tells me the discussions were more along the lines of "Hey here are some guys who were productive in the past what do you coaches think?" "They suck? Ok. Nevermind."

We have to remember that it is more than likely that most of JLCs sources have some type of dislike for Snyder and the FO. Maybe not at a deep level but the fact that they are anonymous sources on closely guarded discussions indicates they aren't lap dogs for Snyderatto. That probably slants his views.

All in all...move along, nothing to see here.

Great post, highlights the importance of interpreting the slant inherent to any piece of journalism.

[Bill B]

Not trying to stir the pot here. Heck I even said in my post I am not sure if what JLC states is the truth or not. But what got me to post it is if what JLC was saying the truth and that Blatche and Williams had to provide a lot of resisitence because the Synder and Cerrato were enamored with the big name guys I start to really wonder how involved Dan Synder is in building the team.

On this front what player evaluation experience does Dan Synder exactly have and where did he acquire it? I understand that owners sign the paychecks and evey team no matter who it is has some input from the owner because he is the one paying the money, but from a intial acquisition standpoint why should Dan even be involved in the process?
Shouldn't this intial phase of team building be left in the hands of your front office personnel like scouts as well as coaches and those types and once any issues of money come into the picture than involve your owner? Again this is being brought up on the prmise that what JLC is true.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Bill B

Not trying to stir the pot here. Heck I even said in my post I am not sure if what JLC states is the truth or not. But what got me to post it is if what JLC was saying the truth and that Blatche and Williams had to provide a lot of resisitence because the Synder and Cerrato were enamored with the big name guys I start to really wonder how involved Dan Synder is in building the team.

On this front what player evaluation experience does Dan Synder exactly have and where did he acquire it? I understand that owners sign the paychecks and evey team no matter who it is has some input from the owner because he is the one paying the money, but from a intial acquisition standpoint why should Dan even be involved in the process?
Shouldn't this intial phase of team building be left in the hands of your front office personnel like scouts as well as coaches and those types and once any issues of money come into the picture than involve your owner? Again this is being brought up on the prmise that what JLC is true.

How could this even happen when Gibbs is the coach?
So this is how it went.
Dan: Hey GW what do you think about these guys who are FA.
GW: Well their old and have bad work habits.
DAn: These are some of the biggest names in the NFL.
GW: Yea, but their getting old.
Dan: OK

Wow, GW is one tough Cookie.

[MTK]

It's no secret that Snyder is involved in the personnel process to some degree. He always has been outside of the year that Marty was here. However I don't think that he makes any calls on his own and forces players upon the coaches. I don't have a problem with him being involved as long as he's deferring to others on the final decisions.

[JoeRedskin]

That was very much a Snyder pick. But remember, he traded down twice in the first round to get him. Picked up two thirds and at the bottom of the first got the highest rated QB on the board at a time when Danny Wuerffel was our QB.

All in all, not a bad way to go about it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

That was very much a Snyder pick. But remember, he traded down twice in the first round to get him. Picked up two thirds and at the bottom of the first got the highest rated QB on the board at a time when Danny Wuerffel was our QB.

All in all, not a bad way to go about it.

I can't blame them for making decisions for Spurrier... let's face it he was fresh out of college and really wasn't in the best position to make personnel decisions, he all but admited that.

[Longtimefan]

Good to see Blache is recognizing the importance of youth as opposed to aging FA veterans, espically on the D-line, a position long neglected in the draft. [with emphasis on the first round]

Both, Snyder and Cerrato have at times come under heavy criticism for the way players have been selected in the past, mistakes have been made. Many of the mistakes made by Snyder are reminiscent of a fans perspective when it came to his choice of players.

One must agree however, his decisions good or bad were agressive ones', with the mindset they would improve the team because I do beleive he really does want to win. I would much prefer to have an owner willing to spend, and making mistakes of agression, than one like John Cooke who didn't have the money to invest in the team.

[SmootSmack]

Snyder also wanted Santana Moss, but deferred to Marty and Rod Gardner.

IMO, this whole thing really is a non-story

[redsk1]

I agree this isn't much of a story here. It's a least good that Blache will let it be known what type of player he wants, but what coach doesn't.

Right now, though, I feel a little uneasy about the fact its either going to be Zorn, Cerrato, or DS making the personell decisions from here out. I'm guessing Blache is going to be heavily involved in the Defensive personell dept. too which should help things.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by redsk1

I agree this isn't much of a story here. It's a least good that Blache will let it be known what type of player he wants, but what coach doesn't.

Right now, though, I feel a little uneasy about the fact its either going to be Zorn, Cerrato, or DS making the personell decisions from here out. I'm guessing Blache is going to be heavily involved in the Defensive personell dept. too which should help things.

Scott Campbell is Director of Player Personnel. Both he and Cerrato are pretty experienced guys. Zorn & Blache and many of their assistants have been around the NFL for a while.

Lavar Arrington told me Snyder has put away his XBox and Madden franchise mode. I think we will be fine.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Scott Campbell is Director of Player Personnel. Both he and Cerrato are pretty experienced guys. Zorn & Blache and many of their assistants have been around the NFL for a while.

Lavar Arrington told me Snyder has put away his XBox and Madden franchise mode. I think we will be fine.

Cerrato is an idiot and he's only around becuase Snyder wants a yes man.Lavar told you,..........yeah ok how does Lavar know squat about the Skins did'nt they "cheat him out of what 6 million and now he's buddy buddy with the Danny?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Cerrato is an idiot and he's only around becuase Snyder wants a yes man.Lavar told you,..........yeah ok how does Lavar know squat about the Skins did'nt they "cheat him out of what 6 million and now he's buddy buddy with the Danny?

You sound pretty upset about this. If Cerrato is such an idiot you guys in Giant land should be laughing it up. Didn't you guys just have a big win a couple of weeks ago, you should be pretty high-on-life right now....

The Arrington reference was sarcastic referring to some prior threads......but while we're on the subject, maybe Lavar should've had an agent who actually read his contract before signing it. I'm pretty sure that's what they get their 3% for. And didn't Arrington and the team agree to a settlement on that?

Haven't we heard enough of the "Cerrato is an idiot and he's only around because Snyder wants a yes man" garbage. I don't think the guy walks on water and he has probably been responsible for bad decisions , but please define why you believe Cerrato is an idiot. Please don't say Lloyd & Archuletta, we've gone down that road already.

Cerrato does have an NCAA Championship ring and SB ring to his credit. So either he has some talent or he's real good at identifying situations which will work out well for him, either way he doesn't sound like an idiot to me. His interview the other day sounded pretty good, he seems to have a good handle on what the teams needs are.

Now he also has full responsibility for all FO moves, so if he screws up there is no shadow of Gibbs or Snyder or GW or whoever. It's on his shoulders and Snyder will be under immense pressure to fire him if the FO falls apart.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Cerrato is an idiot and he's only around becuase Snyder wants a yes man.Lavar told you,..........yeah ok how does Lavar know squat about the Skins did'nt they "cheat him out of what 6 million and now he's buddy buddy with the Danny?

And the Giants made that smart move and signed Lavar to how long and how much of a contract?

[SmootSmack]

Every time I worry that Redskins fans are among the most ignorant in all of sports...Giantone comes along to remind me otherwise

You know he was just joking about the "LaVar told me..." don't you?