Can Santana Moss be Wes Welker?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I always wondered why we got away from all the screens we threw to Moss and Cooley in 2005. We were probably the best screen team in the league that year. I wonder if Zorn's system will run anything similar.

We didn't get away from it, teams simply adjusted to it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

We didn't get away from it, teams simply adjusted to it.

Teams can adjust all they want but when properly excuted there's not much you can do. Maybe I missed it but we simply didn't run screens as much under Saunders.

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I always wondered why we got away from all the screens we threw to Moss and Cooley in 2005. We were probably the best screen team in the league that year. I wonder if Zorn's system will run anything similar.

Agree with you here...

We perfected the screen. Remember the KC game where Santana took a couple of them for huge gains?

We molded a great deal of our offense around the screen, and the fake screen. It's also a great play when you've got lineman as athletic as we do, and a gadget guy like ARE. I'm def on the "bring back the screen" bandwagon.

EDIT: looks like JGlordoftherings beat me to it.

[staylor825]

Thanks Qball

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

We perfected the screen. We molded a great deal of our offense around the screen, and the fake screen. It's also a great play when you've got lineman as athletic as we do, and a gadget guy like ARE. I'm def on the "bring back the screen" bandwagon.

You bring up a great point about the screen needing athletic linemen.
Last year our line was injured...perhaps that is why the screens were limited.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I always wondered why we got away from all the screens we threw to Moss and Cooley in 2005. We were probably the best screen team in the league that year. I wonder if Zorn's system will run anything similar.

That was the MB special and it did work. I don't know. I think teams did adjust but then we just stopped doing it last year. It got blown up alot in 2006 i believe.

Hope we get back to it a little more. With a guy like Moss we should be able to break one more often.

[Daseal]

Personally, I just hope Zorn has a slant route in his offense.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Personally, I just hope Zorn has a slant route in his offense.

If he does I hope we find a bigger WR to run them.

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Personally, I just hope Zorn has a slant route in his offense.

Right! I agree that in 2005 we HAD to be one of the best screen teams ever. Remember the KC game? We lost but I think I remember SM taking a screen pass 70+ yards for a TD.

But, wtf, the 'Skins have run, like, 3 slant routes since JG came back. It always seemed that ARE was really good with the slant routes but IMO he's more of a slot type receiver as opposed to an outside guy.

I believe a big, tall, wideout that will actually CATCH what JC throws at him would be a godsend. Look at what Greg Jennings did for Favre this year! Didn't matter how bad the pass Favre threw was, that boy caught it anyway. That's what we need. An X-Factor type guy I guess. A big play guy. That would either free up Moss or ARE or BOTH on the outside and get Moss back to doing what he does best, smoke fools down the sidelines.

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Personally, I just hope Zorn has a slant route in his offense.

I was goign to post this until i saw yours. We need slants and timing plays, and jason has to mature, which he'll do. A lot of our throw last year were wait for a guy to run a route and get open then force a throw cause its probably too late at that point. Its an experience thing for campbell, and a play calling thing for our coachs. Holmgren did a great job last year of doign slants and quick plays and timing routes once Shaun Alexander started sucking so I want to see that stuff implemented

[Monkeydad]

No, Welker's a white dude.


I believe Moss would be great at that role IF he's not the #1 WR. If we get someone else like Chad Johnson, then we can use Moss on slants in the middle. We don't want to risk him if he's the #1, plus defenses will be targeting him anyways. If he's not the #1, they'll have to pay attention to someone else.

With our current roster, Randel El would be a guy to use in this role I'd think.

[birdz4gibbs]

Originally Posted by Buster

No, Welker's a white dude.


I believe Moss would be great at that role IF he's not the #1 WR. If we get someone else like Chad Johnson, then we can use Moss on slants in the middle. We don't want to risk him if he's the #1, plus defenses will be targeting him anyways. If he's not the #1, they'll have to pay attention to someone else.

With our current roster, Randel El would be a guy to use in this role I'd think.

man buster you beat me to it but i was thinking the samething in reading all these posts..
i say RANDEL EL in the slot..

[Campbell17]

If we get Ocho-cinco look at our receiving corps: Ocho Cinco, Santana Moss, COOOLEY, Randle El, etc. We have better receivers than New England. Not to mention I think getting ochocinco would bring the best play out of moss because he is covered less than ochocinco. That is some of the reason welker was so good this year, everyone focused on moss. Think about it, what D will be able to cover ochocinco and moss as receivers, cooley at TE, and not to mention Portis and Betts on the ground. Our offense goes from good to outstanding. Our defense could use a little work and if we do that... SUPER BOWL! GO SKINS!!!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Campbell17

If we get Ocho-cinco look at our receiving corps: Ocho Cinco, Santana Moss, COOOLEY, Randle El, etc. We have better receivers than New England. Not to mention I think getting ochocinco would bring the best play out of moss because he is covered less than ochocinco. That is some of the reason welker was so good this year, everyone focused on moss. Think about it, what D will be able to cover ochocinco and moss as receivers, cooley at TE, and not to mention Portis and Betts on the ground. Our offense goes from good to outstanding. Our defense could use a little work and if we do that... SUPER BOWL! GO SKINS!!!

If we get #85 our wr's are still NOT BETTER than NE's.

R.Moss is better than #85. R.Moss is one of the best ever and is coming off setting a record for TD catches.
Welker is better than SM or ARE
Stallworth is about the same as SM and is better than ARE
Watson is just as good as Cooley. He just doesn't get the same amount of balls thrown his way.
NE has Brady and we don't.

[Campbell17]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If we get #85 our wr's are still NOT BETTER than NE's.

R.Moss is better than #85. R.Moss is one of the best ever and is coming of setting a record for TD passes.
Welker is better than SM or ARE
Stallworth is about the same as SM and is better than ARE
Watson is just as good as Cooley. He just doesn't get the same amount of balls thrown his way.
NE has Brady and we don't.

Would we be #2?