NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?

[SmootSmack]

Maybe someone like Longtimefan can speak to this point, but I don't understand this notion that we've recently "de-emphasized the draft" Don't we have a history dating back to the days of George Allen of employing this "picks for vets" philosophy? That's nearly 40 years. I suppose that's recent, maybe.

And is the problem, if you choose to call it that, then that Snyder is trying to relive the glory years of back when he was a fan by employing the same strategy?

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Maybe someone like Longtimefan can speak to this point, but I don't understand this notion that we've recently "de-emphasized the draft" Don't we have a history dating back to the days of George Allen of employing this "picks for vets" philosophy? That's nearly 40 years. I suppose that's recent, maybe.

And is the problem, if you choose to call it that, then that Snyder is trying to relive the glory years of back when he was a fan by employing the same strategy?

I was thinking the same exact thing......

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Maybe someone like Longtimefan can speak to this point, but I don't understand this notion that we've recently "de-emphasized the draft" Don't we have a history dating back to the days of George Allen of employing this "picks for vets" philosophy? That's nearly 40 years. I suppose that's recent, maybe.

And is the problem, if you choose to call it that, then that Snyder is trying to relive the glory years of back when he was a fan by employing the same strategy?

I heard Kiper make the same point on Colin Cowherd's show about a month ago. I think he was speaking in terms of the last few years -- giving away the 3rd and 4th for Lloyd, a 3rd for Duckett, this year's 2nd for Rocky ...

If you look at the past 4-5 years compared to the mid-to-late 90's when Casserly was here, we had a full compliment of draft picks just about every season. So it's a big departure from that time frame.

Essentially though, you're right -- Allen traded away picks for veterans; and after Darrell Green was drafted in '83 through Bobby Wilson in 1991, the Redskins didn't have one single 1st round draft pick. So yes, it has been a staple of this franchise to favor free agent veterans over unproven draft picks. The problem is, in this era of free agency and the salary cap, the smart, successful teams have figured out that this isn't the way to go.

[GoSkins!]

I'm starting to wonder if the skins just think that McIntosh sucks. Maybe Lindsey wanted him, got him, found out he sucked, couldn't make him play, and ended up getting fired because of it. Why else would they abandon thier 2nd rounder and spend all thier free money on Briggs?

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

I'm starting to wonder if the skins just think that McIntosh sucks. Maybe Lindsey wanted him, got him, found out he sucked, couldn't make him play, and ended up getting fired because of it. Why else would they abandon thier 2nd rounder and spend all thier free money on Briggs?

I hope that's not it. I mentioned earlier about the age of our LBs and injuries. Both Rocky (knee) and Marcus (knee,elbow) went under the knife in the offseason. Lemar Marshall turns 31 this year and is built more like safety than a LB, especially a MLB. Marcus turns 30 this year and Fletcher turns 32. Aside from these guys we have pretty much nobody. Khary Campbell is a special teams guy, and that's it really. Maybe that's what this move is about. :confused:

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I hope that's not it. I mentioned earlier about the age of our LBs and injuries. Both Rocky (knee) and Marcus (knee,elbow) went under the knife in the offseason. Lemar Marshall turns 31 this year and is built more like safety than a LB, especially a MLB. Marcus turns 30 this year and Fletcher turns 32. Aside from these guys we have pretty much nobody. Khary Campbell is a special teams guy, and that's it really. Maybe that's what this move is about. :confused:

I see what you're saying about the linebackers, but the D-line is in much worse shape, and they never seem to do anything about it. Aside from the new depth guys they drafted, Golston and Montgomery, the front office seems content with slapping older retreads from other teams together for the front four.

I agree that in the next year or so, the linebacking corps will have to be built back up again with youth, but it just seems like every other position gets that type of attention while the defensive line doesn't.

[Skinz4life]

This purposed deal tells me a couple of things :

1) Washington doesn't think that anyone at the 6 spot is able to come in and help right away.
2) They also much feel that the Linebacking play last year was as much to blame as the DL or the secondary.

With this in mind I really don't think this deal is as bad as I orginally thought that it was, I still would rather them wait until draft day and see if anyone makes them an offer they can't refuse - kinda like the Ricky Williams deal from a couple of years back. If that offer doesn't come up and the FO doesn't think that the players at 6 will come in right away and help the team then go for it. This trade would allow them to get possible 2 starters for the price of one.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Skinz4life

This purposed deal tells me a couple of things :

1) Washington doesn't think that anyone at the 6 spot is able to come in and help right away.
2) They also much feel that the Linebacking play last year was as much to blame as the DL or the secondary.

With this in mind I really don't think this deal is as bad as I orginally thought that it was, I still would rather them wait until draft day and see if anyone makes them an offer they can't refuse - kinda like the Ricky Williams deal from a couple of years back. If that offer doesn't come up and the FO doesn't think that the players at 6 will come in right away and help the team then go for it. This trade would allow them to get possible 2 starters for the price of one.

I think the best thing that could happen would be for us to keep the 6 spot until draft day and for Brady Quinn to fall out of the top 5, which could happen. A few teams would definitely make a move- Minnesota and Miami at the very least. We could gain a 2nd and/or 3rd rounder by swapping with either one of those teams and still have a good pick (7 or 9) to trade down to the Bears. Remember, if the Bears don't move Briggs he will likely sit out 10 games, and other teams around the league don't seem too interested in him. WE HAVE THE LEVERAGE HERE!! I just hope we don't blow our wad on a bad deal that could have been better with a little patience.

If it somehow goes down the way I just laid out, we could have Briggs, the Bears 31st pick, and a 2nd rounder. I would take that. But I admit it's a big IF.

[hooskins]

Hm redskins.com says nothing...

[DGreene28]

I think Buck may have misspoken.. The graphic could have been wrong.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

I'm starting to wonder if the skins just think that McIntosh sucks. Maybe Lindsey wanted him, got him, found out he sucked, couldn't make him play, and ended up getting fired because of it. Why else would they abandon thier 2nd rounder and spend all thier free money on Briggs?

If Gibbs and co. decieded to take the word of a position coach rather than evaluate the first pick we had last draft, they should have thier heads examined. The fact that no one would be able to evaluate him other than Lindsey would be a joke.

Is it the fact that Rocky can't play, or is it the fact that Williams doesn't know how to use him? We know AA can play, but he looked as if he didn't belong in the NFL under Williams. I know Williams had a fabulous first 2 years with us but maybe just maybe we are starting to see why he was such a lowsey head coach. I need to know how dumb you have to be not be able to understand the weakside LB position? It's not like anyone is being asked to split the atom, or maybe they are under Williams?

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by offiss

If Gibbs and co. decieded to take the word of a position coach rather than evaluate the first pick we had last draft, they should have thier heads examined. The fact that no one would be able to evaluate him other than Lindsey would be a joke.

I agree, but Lindsey had the power to keep Lavar off the field, and Gibbs self proclaimed knowledge of defense is to tell them to "get 'em". I'm sure Lindsey had input, maybe enough to say he could make one guy excel in the system but not another. I just seems wierd that of all the coaches he took the fall when the d-line and DBs were also awful. It wasn't just his gruff attitude.