Huge Cushion

gabe1984 · 01-26-2007, 01:12 PM

Does anyone know for sure, and if you do can you provide evidence, as to whether or not the huge cussion our DBs, especially Rodgers, gave opposing receivers this year was a result of GW's scheme. Or, were they supposed to play closer, but did't because they were afraid of getting beat.
In addition, which do you think is worse? The fact that GW doesn't have enough confidence to let them play closer, or that they're scared to.

dmek25 · 01-26-2007, 01:23 PM

cushion? it belive it was coaching

12thMan · 01-26-2007, 01:31 PM

It's the scheme, man. Not entirely, but quite a bit in my opinion. I know I've been particularly critical of Williams.

We just don't gamble with the pool of players we have and I think there is a direct correlation between that and our low turnover ratio. A guy like Asante Samuels...he jumps the ball, I get the feeling if ended up here, he would be a different player.

jamf · 01-26-2007, 01:33 PM

after one of the games, Brian Mitchell asked GW about the cushion and GW said he would get rogers to play closer to the line.

That leads me to believe that it's the players choice. Also, When Jimoh had to play, He was always on the line of scrimmage.

The players know the speed of a WR better than the coaches, I think they should decide how far they should be off.

freddyg12 · 01-26-2007, 01:33 PM

I would love a real answer to this, w/some facts to back it up.
I wondered about this too. Rogers gave the most cushion. I never understood it, cause it allows the wr's to get into their route a full second or more.
On that big drop by TO, Rogers was 10 yrds. back but still got beat downfield.

freddyg12 · 01-26-2007, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamf

after one of the games, Brian Mitchell asked GW about the cushion and GW said he would get rogers to play closer to the line.

That leads me to believe that it's the players choice. Also, When Jimoh had to play, He was always on the line of scrimmage.

The players know the speed of a WR better than the coaches, I think they should decide how far they should be off.

speedy wr's or not, you take a second or 2 off your pass rush by not hitting them at the line.

jamf · 01-26-2007, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by freddyg12

speedy wr's or not, you take a second or 2 off your pass rush by not hitting them at the line.

I agree, But we dont want rogers trying to jam Joey Galloway on the line without help uptop.

SmootSmack · 01-26-2007, 01:40 PM

I'm gonna fix the spelling on the thread title here

hooskins · 01-26-2007, 01:41 PM

Dont fix it, damn it....

a cussion is like a concussion but not as bad

Defensewins · 01-26-2007, 01:58 PM

If coach Williams did not like the cushion Rogers was playing, told him to reduce it and he didn't then he could bench him. But he never did.
Which leads me to believe they played with a big cushion in man coverage because our pass rush was weak for most year and they were afraid to get beat deep. If you have a strong pass rush from your front four and they get to the QB in 4 to 5 seconds on most plays, your DB's will look better because they do not have cover a receiver as long. Plus it rattles Qb's.

FRPLG · 01-26-2007, 02:01 PM

I believe it was revealed as part of the scheme. I'll look for the article. There is no way an self respecting player would do that unless told to. And no coach would allow it unless it was schemed.

gabe1984 · 01-26-2007, 02:08 PM

I thought cussion, did look kinda funny, lol

MTK · 01-26-2007, 02:41 PM

Rogers said in an interview that it's the scheme.

With the problems in the secondary it's easy to see why GW would want to prevent against the big play. Our secondary got toasted all year but especially early in the season with Springs out and AA playing like ass.

hesscl34 · 01-26-2007, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe1984

Does anyone know for sure, and if you do can you provide evidence, as to whether or not the huge cussion our DBs, especially Rodgers, gave opposing receivers this year was a result of GW's scheme. Or, were they supposed to play closer, but did't because they were afraid of getting beat.
In addition, which do you think is worse? The fact that GW doesn't have enough confidence to let them play closer, or that they're scared to.

it wasn't coaching. No coach tells his players to get beat over and over and over... Rogers sucks.

12thMan · 01-26-2007, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hesscl34

it wasn't coaching. No coach tells his players to get beat over and over and over... Rogers sucks.

The question wasn't about why Rogers was getting beat....of course no coach would tell his player that?

Let's just see if there is a repeat of last year before we conclude that Rogers suck.

01-26-2007, 01:12 PM	#1
gabe1984 Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 372	Huge Cushion Does anyone know for sure, and if you do can you provide evidence, as to whether or not the huge cussion our DBs, especially Rodgers, gave opposing receivers this year was a result of GW's scheme. Or, were they supposed to play closer, but did't because they were afraid of getting beat. In addition, which do you think is worse? The fact that GW doesn't have enough confidence to let them play closer, or that they're scared to.

01-26-2007, 01:23 PM	#2
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Huge Cussion cushion? it belive it was coaching __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

01-26-2007, 01:31 PM	#3
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Huge Cussion It's the scheme, man. Not entirely, but quite a bit in my opinion. I know I've been particularly critical of Williams. We just don't gamble with the pool of players we have and I think there is a direct correlation between that and our low turnover ratio. A guy like Asante Samuels...he jumps the ball, I get the feeling if ended up here, he would be a different player.

01-26-2007, 01:33 PM	#4
jamf Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Diego Ca Posts: 5,313	Re: Huge Cussion after one of the games, Brian Mitchell asked GW about the cushion and GW said he would get rogers to play closer to the line. That leads me to believe that it's the players choice. Also, When Jimoh had to play, He was always on the line of scrimmage. The players know the speed of a WR better than the coaches, I think they should decide how far they should be off.

01-26-2007, 01:33 PM	#5
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: Huge Cussion I would love a real answer to this, w/some facts to back it up. I wondered about this too. Rogers gave the most cushion. I never understood it, cause it allows the wr's to get into their route a full second or more. On that big drop by TO, Rogers was 10 yrds. back but still got beat downfield.

01-26-2007, 01:40 PM	#8
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Huge Cussion I'm gonna fix the spelling on the thread title here __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

01-26-2007, 01:41 PM	#9
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 37 Posts: 8,606	Re: Huge Cushion Dont fix it, damn it.... a cussion is like a concussion but not as bad __________________ Vacancy

01-26-2007, 01:58 PM	#10
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,749	Re: Huge Cushion If coach Williams did not like the cushion Rogers was playing, told him to reduce it and he didn't then he could bench him. But he never did. Which leads me to believe they played with a big cushion in man coverage because our pass rush was weak for most year and they were afraid to get beat deep. If you have a strong pass rush from your front four and they get to the QB in 4 to 5 seconds on most plays, your DB's will look better because they do not have cover a receiver as long. Plus it rattles Qb's.

01-26-2007, 02:01 PM	#11
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Huge Cushion I believe it was revealed as part of the scheme. I'll look for the article. There is no way an self respecting player would do that unless told to. And no coach would allow it unless it was schemed.

01-26-2007, 02:08 PM	#12
gabe1984 Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 372	Re: Huge Cushion I thought cussion, did look kinda funny, lol

01-26-2007, 02:41 PM	#13
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,472	Re: Huge Cushion Rogers said in an interview that it's the scheme. With the problems in the secondary it's easy to see why GW would want to prevent against the big play. Our secondary got toasted all year but especially early in the season with Springs out and AA playing like ass. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

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