Commanders 2025 Offseason Thread

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by WCommandersfan99

Bradyn Swinson was available for us in the 4th rd for an edge. 2nd team All-SEC, 8.5 sacks, 13 TFL last year. This was who I wanted in the 4th rd, so a talented edge was available. Peters went in a different direction.



https://www.nfl.com/prospects/bradyn...5-b77b8ec24fbb

An edge who lasted till round 5 vs their top rated ST returner per AP(also a position of need). I will trust AP and DQ's evaluation and decision. If we were going to get an impact player at EDGE it would have been at 61 or before.

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[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

An edge who lasted till round 5 vs their top rated ST returner per AP(also a position of need). I will trust AP and DQ's evaluation and decision. If we were going to get an impact player at EDGE it would have been at 61 or before.

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We all have to trust AP's decision and we will, but this is one of the few I disagreed with. We already got Deebo Samuel and Michael Gallup Jr. and he used a 3rd rounder on McCaffrey last year. Edge was far more of a need than wr. Defense wins championships not more wrs when you're already solid in this area.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by WCommandersfan99

We all have to trust AP's decision and we will, but this is one of the few I disagreed with. We already got Deebo Samuel and Michael Gallup Jr. and he used a 3rd rounder on McCaffrey last year. Edge was far more of a need than wr. Defense wins championships not more wrs when you're already solid in this area.

We know AP chooses highly athletic players so I looked up Swinson's RAS score, and maybe - for good or bad - it had something to do with them passing on it.



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[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

We know AP chooses highly athletic players so I looked up Swinson's RAS score, and maybe - for good or bad - it had something to do with them passing on it.



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I am still quite excited about Lane. Kid is FAST and is a legit threat on returns also. It's not that I have an issue with nabbing Lane. It's just that I'm frustrated about edge being avoided when more resources have already been put into the offense this offseason.

[Darrell Green Fan]

Originally Posted by WCommandersfan99

We all have to trust AP's decision and we will, but this is one of the few I disagreed with. We already got Deebo Samuel and Michael Gallup Jr. and he used a 3rd rounder on McCaffrey last year. Edge was far more of a need than wr. Defense wins championships not more wrs when you're already solid in this area.

I loved the Deebo trade but he is signed for 1 season and we don't know if he will sign here again. He also comes with injury risk. Gallop came off his couch and is a solid depth piece but nothing more. McCaffery at this point has proven nothing.

I don't see any way this group could be considered solid before the draft. I'm also pretty thrilled that AP drafted the best player and did not reach to fill a more immediate need and you should be as well.

[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by Darrell Green Fan

I loved the Deebo trade but he is signed for 1 season and we don't know if he will sign here again. He also comes with injury risk. Gallop came off his couch and is a solid depth piece but nothing more. McCaffery at this point has proven nothing.

I don't see any way this group could be considered solid before the draft. I'm also pretty thrilled that AP drafted the best player and did not reach to fill a more immediate need and you should be as well.

Deebo is only 29 years old and can sign a new deal in the offseason. He is hurt some but it's overblown his reputation here. For the most part he is healthy and flat out produces for a long time. Dude is a stud. Gallup is also only 29 years old and retired before. He also produces when he plays. He's not going to be asked to be a 1 or 2. We already have a bonafide star and 1 with McClaurin. McCaffrey didn't get a lot of opportunities last year but all reports are highly optimistic. Kid is tough and has hands:

https://riggosrag.com/luke-mccaffrey...sees-it-coming

https://atozsports.com/nfl/washingto...acorey-brooks/

Jacorey Brooks also could get in the mix and was inexplicably not drafted. Noah Brown is back also and is decently productive. Think he can be moreso with the Deebo acquisition.

I have said before in this forum that I don't mind getting Lane but would have preferred Swinson. No one knows who the better player is of the 2 so it is premature for you to assert that. What we do know is edge and defense were more of a need than wr.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by WCommandersfan99

Deebo is only 29 years old and can sign a new deal in the offseason. He is hurt some but it's overblown his reputation here. For the most part he is healthy and flat out produces for a long time. Dude is a stud. Gallup is also only 29 years old and retired before. He also produces when he plays. He's not going to be asked to be a 1 or 2. We already have a bonafide star and 1 with McClaurin. McCaffrey didn't get a lot of opportunities last year but all reports are highly optimistic. Kid is tough and has hands:



https://riggosrag.com/luke-mccaffrey...sees-it-coming



https://atozsports.com/nfl/washingto...acorey-brooks/



Jacorey Brooks also could get in the mix and was inexplicably not drafted. Noah Brown is back also and is decently productive. Think he can be moreso with the Deebo acquisition.



I have said before in this forum that I don't mind getting Lane but would have preferred Swinson. No one knows who the better player is of the 2 so it is premature for you to assert that. What we do know is edge and defense were more of a need than wr.

I disagree about Lane vs Swinson. At best Swinson will be a rotational line player, Lane has every chance to be an explosive return player immediately (a definite need like edge), and develop into a swiss army knife offensive player who can cut through defenses. Now either one of them could prove to be higher or lower than their prevdraft expectations but on the face of it Lane meets a specific need AND provides a projected explosive element that Swinson does not.

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[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I disagree about Lane vs Swinson. At best Swinson will be a rotational line player, Lane has every chance to be an explosive return player immediately (a definite need like edge), and develop into a swiss army knife offensive player who can cut through defenses. Now either one of them could prove to be higher or lower than their prevdraft expectations but on the face of it Lane meets a specific need AND provides a projected explosive element that Swinson does not.

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Why do you feel Swinson can only be a rotational line player? NFL Draft Buzz had him going as high as potentially the 2nd round. 2nd rounders don't get drafted for rotations. They get drafted to start. His strength is pass rushing who has the frame to be a great run stopper also.

Please read the article below on him:

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/...nson-DE-Oregon

The versatility he's shown - working stunts, dropping in coverage, even spying athletic quarterbacks - gives defensive coordinators a chess piece they can move around the formation. Put him in the right scheme, and you're looking at an impact player who should hear his name called in the late second round.

Smart money's on Swinson outplaying his draft position.

Lane is fast. This isn't college though. His stats in the mediocre ACC were pretty average around 500 yds rec/season. Our new udfa wr Ja'Corey Brooks had 1,000 alone in 1 season last year.

Please don't come crying to me when our defense isn't good enough to win the SB next year. Jayden and the offense will be great, but barring more changes defense won't be good enough.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by WCommandersfan99

Why do you feel Swinson can only be a rotational line player? NFL Draft Buzz had him going as high as potentially the 2nd round. 2nd rounders don't get drafted for rotations. They get drafted to start. His strength is pass rushing who has the frame to be a great run stopper also.



Please read the article below on him:



https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/...nson-DE-Oregon



The versatility he's shown - working stunts, dropping in coverage, even spying athletic quarterbacks - gives defensive coordinators a chess piece they can move around the formation. Put him in the right scheme, and you're looking at an impact player who should hear his name called in the late second round.



Smart money's on Swinson outplaying his draft position.



Lane is fast. This isn't college though. His stats in the mediocre ACC were pretty average around 500 yds rec/season. Our new udfa wr Ja'Corey Brooks had 1,000 alone in 1 season last year.



Please don't come crying to me when our defense isn't good enough to win the SB next year. Jayden and the offense will be great, but barring more changes defense won't be good enough.

It's funny [a little revisionism to follow] take away 3 offensive turnovers at critical junctures in the NFCCG and we win that game. [/revisionism] Dyami is gone and our offense will be better because of the additions.

As for Swinson, in 4 rounds 19 edge rushers were picked by 19 different FO before our pick. AP said that Lane was our top rated punt returner.

We have 3 of our last 10 first round picks still on our team. We need talent first and foremost, not reaching for the 22nd edge rusher. That said, I do believe AP and crew will bring in a veteran edge on a 1 or 2 year deal. Keep in mind 20 teams brought in rookie edge rushers, that likely means an overpaid but productive vet will become available in the next wave of FA.

And from your referenced link:

Smart money's on Swinson outplaying his draft position. His senior year jump wasn't just about opportunity - it was about development. The raw tools have been refined into real skills, and his rapid improvement curve suggests he's still ascending. A creative defensive coordinator who can protect him from heavy run-game duties early will be getting a pass rush specialist who could develop into an every-down force by year two.

So we should have jumped our draft board for an rookie edge rusher who is a liability in the run? Saquon agrees.

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[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

It's funny [a little revisionism to follow] take away 3 offensive turnovers at critical junctures in the NFCCG and we win that game. [/revisionism] Dyami is gone and our offense will be better because of the additions.

As for Swinson, in 4 rounds 19 edge rushers were picked by 19 different FO before our pick. AP said that Lane was our top rated punt returner.

We have 3 of our last 10 first round picks still on our team. We need talent first and foremost, not reaching for the 22nd edge rusher. That said, I do believe AP and crew will bring in a veteran edge on a 1 or 2 year deal. Keep in mind 20 teams brought in rookie edge rushers, that likely means an overpaid but productive vet will become available in the next wave of FA.

And from your referenced link:

So we should have jumped our draft board for an rookie edge rusher who is a liability in the run? Saquon agrees.

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The receivers were already addressed with Deebo (upgrade), a healthy Brown, a more seasoned and ascending McCaffrey, and even Brooks who everyone was incredulous was not drafted. Also Ertz and Sinnot may be ready to go now also. Both are known for pass catching tight ends. Ertz is just proven but Sinnot has potential and tools galore. We did NOT need any more receivers.

What we did needed and still need unfortunately is an edge. I'm all for BPA philosophy but not after 1 unit was sufficiently addressed (offense) moreso than the defense. You know VERY well that Lane will not start. I wouldn't even be surprised if he doesn't play a lot. He may return punts sure but again speed isn't everything. Production is. We had a far greater NEED that was neglected in this draft.

Swinson may not start year 1 but his strength is pass rushing. He also could evolve into a strong run defender. I want SEC dudes especially on defense. He's not a liability against the rush. The article I referenced rated him at 80% for rush defense which clearly indicates not a liability. Actually the article states he could be a FORCE in a STARTING position by year 2. He can get bigger and likely will to aid with the rush defense. It's just that he's better at pass rushing grading out at 98% here. He is a superb athlete. Players with this type of athleticism and tools (high motor, great moves, sacks, TFL, etc.) are very difficult to find. This is what we needed especially with the loss of Fowler Jr. and his 10.5 sacks. Offense was added to and defense was taken from not only in FA but the draft also.

[Meks]

Just recall this back and forth. Lotta hot air for a player or two just may not make much impacts lol... will be funny to recall one day

I'm fine without drafting swinson at this spot. I trust AP just fine.

[That Guy]

getting on a pedestal for the 22nd rated edge guy is weird. no one knows how the future will unfold, but saying we're good at WR based on mccaffrey and sinnot showing absolutely nothing last year is really confusing. Sure they could be better this year, or not.

would a 4th round rookie that's a liability against the run and not the most athletic REALLY be pegged as a starter? You're all for BPA except when the GM actually goes BPA. The team is trying to win NOW. Lane helps them NOW.

Random guy on internet says he could be good. COULD. If he matched your ad pitch, he wouldn't have made it to the 4th round. Also, how was the defense taken away from in the draft? +starting CB, +safety/LB hybrid depth = making the defense worse?? I don't follow.

[AnonEmouse]

TBF on Sinnott and McCaffrey, staff have said they were very happy with Sinnott but Ertz surprised them with how much he could still do so dominated playing time, and film shows McCaffrey getting open a lot but it looks like Daniels didn't see/trust him. That can be worked on and nobody on staff etc. are saying he's not capable (not that they would at this stage though).

But totally agree, taking BPA over need there makes total sense, AP has made good picks so far and as plenty have said, every chance a quality Edge FA is going to be available between now and the season. No reason not to trust the process.

[WCommandersfan99]

I'm not going to go on about the 4th rd selection anymore. Clearly I would have preferred defense as I feel at is was not addressed enough so far this offseason. Eagles easily had the best team defense last year by a wide margin in their Super Bowl season. Fans can talk about Hurts, Barkley, and Brown all day but their defense was dominant. I don't feel ours is good enough for 2025 for the ultimate goal. Hope I'm wrong.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by WCommandersfan99

I'm not going to go on about the 4th rd selection anymore. Clearly I would have preferred defense as I feel at is was not addressed enough so far this offseason. Eagles easily had the best team defense last year by a wide margin in their Super Bowl season. Fans can talk about Hurts, Barkley, and Brown all day but their defense was dominant. I don't feel ours is good enough for 2025 for the ultimate goal. Hope I'm wrong.

totally agree

i am actual setting the expectation that we are not going to go as far next year

i think its a great team and it is building

all those close games at the end of the year ; if they have gone a different
way our expectations for this year be a bit different

i hope i am wrong too!