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02-25-2022, 02:54 PM
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Playmaker
Join Date: Sep 2019
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Re: Hey there's about to be a war in Ukraine.
this aint about trump ...
i know we are all adults but can we move the common repeated ad nauseum political talk to one of the many US politicval threads i dont even know why i give a shit what people do in here . .. im such a cranky bitch today If this Ukraine War thread could just be about updates on the Ukraine War .. thatd be great. but as always .. do you. |
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02-25-2022, 02:59 PM
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Gamebreaker
Join Date: Apr 2006
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Re: Hey there's about to be a war in Ukraine.
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02-25-2022, 04:41 PM
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From a Land Down Under
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: toms river, nj
Age: 53
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Re: Hey there's about to be a war in Ukraine.
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Not sure how you can say Trumps four years in office have nothing to do with any of this? Whether u believe he propped him up or held him in check it absolutely has something to do with this. It has to do with each and every POTUS over the last 20 years. |
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02-25-2022, 06:30 PM
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Gamebreaker
Join Date: Apr 2006
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Re: Hey there's about to be a war in Ukraine.
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• Praised Putin constantly, called him a "strong leader", has peddled statements like "he's done a really great job outsmarting our country" • Impeached for illegally withholding Ukraine military aid, already appropriated to them by Congress, unless they made up political dirt on Biden. Specifically Ukraine was asking for the Javelin anti-tank systems that are now helping them fend off Russian advancements. • Trump dismissed and cast doubt about Russian hacking, particularly when the U.S determined that Russia hacked the DNC in 2016, while ironically enough, he encouraged Russian cyber attacks on national TV saying, "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing," • When addressing Russian election interference and cyber attacks, Trump proclaimed "I don't see any reason why it would be Russia" after speaking directly with Putin, defending Russia and trusting Putin over our own intelligence agencies. Later he "corrected" himself, claiming that he meant to say "wouldn't" instead of would. • Trump suggested the U.S. work directly with Russia on cybersecurity. Trump refused to punish or critique the SolarWinds hack. • Almost directly after the 2016 election, Trump sought to weaken U.S. sanctions on Russia, while he was even open to lifting sanctions. • Trump dismissed the notion that Putin was a "killer", downplaying the idea that Putin resorts to using violence and oppressive tactics to crush political opponents. He defended Putin, rationalizing his ruthless despotism in the process, declaring, "There are a lot of killers. Do you think our country is so innocent?" • Trump shared highly classified U.S. intelligence with Russian officials in the Oval Office in 2017. • Trump repeated Kremlin talking points related to the Russian annexation of Crimea, reiterating things like, "The people of Crimea, from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were." • Trump constantly attacked NATO, aligning himself with Putin. (quite relevant) • Trump thanked Putin for expelling hundreds of U.S. diplomats as a retaliation for sanctions. • Trump refused to make a statement about the 10th anniversary of the Russia-Georgia war. According to John Bolton, European leaders noticed Trump's silence and "became even more concerned about American resolve." • According to congressional testimony, Trump declined to publicly condemn a Russian attack against Ukrainian military vessels in November 2018, even though the State Department prepared a statement for him • Trump congratulated and gave legitimacy to Putin's re election win in 2018, a victory said to "lack genuine competition" • Sergei Skripal, an ex Russian spy that defected to the UK, was poisoned. Sanctions were announced, Trump attempted to rescind them, while asserting that the U.S. was being "too tough on Putin" • When congress passed new sanctions against Russia in 2017, Trump was very reluctant to signing the bill, and probably wouldn't have signed it if the bill didn't pass with veto-proof majorities in both houses • In 2017 it was reported that Trump was considering returning spy bases to Russia. • Trump praised and highlighted pro-Russian leaders in Europe. Far right European leaders with close ties to Putin. He even met a Kremlin ally at the Whitehouse. • When Trump withdrew troops from Syria, it gave Russia and Putin an opportunity to control abandoned U.S. outposts and checkpoints.
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02-26-2022, 10:32 AM
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From a Land Down Under
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: toms river, nj
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Re: Hey there's about to be a war in Ukraine.
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Coincidence 
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