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[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mooby

No no no. NO room for nuance Punch. It's black and white - if you have a problem with Israel's government you are an anti-semite.

True, and weird, because that means there are a whole lotta anti-Semitic Jews out there.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by punch it in

True, and weird, because that means there are a whole lotta anti-Semitic Jews out there.

Who knew we would have something in common with the alt-right? Not I.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

Who knew we would have something in common with the alt-right? Not I.

Ya know you two are just killing chico!

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ale...iron-dome-vote

AOC consoled by other members after Israel Iron Dome House vote

Remember folks, it’s not democratic socialist…going forward it’s National Socialist. She and her squad are well know national socialist.

And people were worried that the military industrial machine was in jeopardy after we pulled out of Afghanistan. No worries there is always a boogeyman to find. We can sleep well and assured now knowing Israel can target 5 year olds with out reason or consequence with our money. Now onto China.

[MTK]

she's such a dope

Did Kayleigh McEnany Inadvertently Highlight Murder Rate Rise in Trump’s Final Year?

[SunnySide]

Ever since it was announced, the opening of the U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem has been fraught with controversy. Its opening this week prompted a wave of violence in which at least 50 Palestinian protesters were killed by Israeli soldiers. So it might be surprising to learn that some evangelical Christians are not only supporting, they are celebrating, this event.

Robert Jeffress, the Baptist pastor chosen to pray during the blessing of the embassy on Monday, praised President Trump as someone who “stands on the right side of you, O God, when it comes to Israel.” And the man known for his discriminatory views of Mormons and Muslims described Israel as blessing the world by pointing it to God “through the message of her prophets, the Scriptures, and the Messiah.”

Jeffress’ prayers weren’t troubling only because of his history of bigotry; they were steeped in a particular kind of right-wing Christian theology that believes that the institution of an embassy in Jerusalem will bring about violence and destruction on a cosmic scale. Known as premillennial dispensationalists, this subset of evangelicals reads the embassy as an important and necessary step to the bringing about of the Apocalypse.

The Apocalypse is broadly thought of as the end of the world and, to most people, its a time associated with destruction, judgment, the overthrowing of temporal powers, the return of the Messiah, the end of the world as we know it, and the beginning of a period of blissful eternal existence.

Though many texts in the Bible discuss the “Day of the Lord” and a coming time of judgement, the primary source text for this kind of perspective is the book of Revelation, the final book of the New Testament. Often erroneously credited to the author of the Gospel of John, Revelation or “the Apocalypse of John” is an example of what scholars call “apocalyptic literature,” a genre of ancient literature filled with coded symbols and predictions about the future. Revelation was likely written at the end of the first century during the reign of the Roman emperor Domitian. But because it is written in symbolically coded prophecy, Christians have been treating Revelation as a timetable for the end of the world ever since it was written.

Beginning in the 16th century, English puritans began to develop a view of human history in which time is divided into various “dispensations” (periods of time, each of which is illustrative of a particular period of the divine plan). The final period of human history, before the Last Judgment, is called the “millennial kingdom,” a 1,000-year period in which Christl reigns. This period is described in Revelation 20:1-8, and some early Christians, too, subscribed to the view that there would be a millennium of earthly reign before a final catastrophe.

The theological heirs to these puritanical Christians are those evangelicals who, like Jeffress, believe that the book of Revelation (with some supplements from the book of Daniel, Ezekiel, and 1 Thessalonians) provides a template for the end of the world. A central component of their theology is that true Christians will be spared any further suffering because they will be “raptured,” or taken up to heaven, before the final horrors begin. It’s everyone else who will suffer. If all of this sounds somewhat fringe, it’s worth bearing in mind that the apocalyptically styled Left Behind series that was published in the 1990s sold more than 80 million copies.

The specific order of end-time events can vary from preacher to preacher and group to group, but in general they share the view that the return of the Messiah will follow the rebuilding of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem and the restoration of the state of Israel as a kind of Jewish theocracy. As Dr. Greg Carey, professor of New Testament at Lancaster Theological Seminary and the author of Apocalyptic Literature in the New Testament, told The Daily Beast, “Rapture teachers teach that the end times revolve around Israel and Jerusalem.”

The problem is that things don’t go well for Israel or the Jews in particular. Carey explained that their promotion of “unwavering loyalty to the State of Israel” is tied to the fact that “they envision an international assault against the nation of Israel” at the end of times. The rebuilding of the temple is just “to prepare way for this final conflict.”

The problem is that while this is a joyful event for the small group of faithful Christians who are raptured, it spells disaster for members of other religions. “None of this is good news for the people who live in and around Jerusalem, who amount to pawns in this end-time scenario. The suffering of Arab peoples is taken for granted, while Jews take the brunt of this final ‘great tribulation.’” Carey observed that Jeffress himself thinks that Jews will not be saved without first converting to Christianity. The support of the state of Israel, therefore, should not be misconstrued as unwavering support for the religious rights of Jews; at the end of time Jews must convert or die.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-ev...ls-love-israel

Short version -- Evangelicals think that once Israel is a true Israel therocracy and the Old Temple is re-built it will bring the rapture in which Christians will go to heaven and anyone, Jews or Mussims etc who dont convert will die.

Strange bunch man but thats why hardcore Christians want a strong Israel = end times prophecy stuff.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Yes well known National socialists. Lol.
You must really miss the White Nationalist Autocracy we were basking in…

AOC is such an obvious target of the extreme right. A woman and a minority. Man y’all hate that she has the nerve to stand up for what she believes in….

Now of course the extreme right will call her anti-Semitic, when it is clear the problem is not with Jewish people but with the Government over there - as well it should be.

Furthermore since when does the extreme right give a fuck about our allies? We just shit all over them for years. Completely damaged our standing with them all over the world. America First and fuck the rest of the world…right? All of the sudden their hearts are bleeding for Afghanistan citizens and Israelis to the point they are just sickened that AOC and her anti-Semitic “crew” or “gang” or whatever other scary they are going to take the white peoples land away - moniker you wanna throw on them- are not just throwing money at a foreign government. Ok. This is nothing more than political spin. It is what the extreme right does best.

When you support BDS, which in their mission statement is anti-Semitic….when you count Linda Sarsour as a close friend/confident who is an anti Semitic who herself has close ties to folks who have fund raiser for terror outfits, when you align yourself with well known anti Semitic politician Jeremy Corbin who actions have been longggg documented…

These are the facts my man. AOC, those trash bitches from Minnesota and Michigan are simply National Socialist. Their stances are more in-line with Neo Nazis, KKK, etc when it’s comes to Israel.

And we are talking a vote yesterday which funds the Iron Dome which is a defensive weapon system…not offensive..against rocket attacks.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Ever since it was announced, the opening of the U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem has been fraught with controversy. Its opening this week prompted a wave of violence in which at least 50 Palestinian protesters were killed by Israeli soldiers. So it might be surprising to learn that some evangelical Christians are not only supporting, they are celebrating, this event.

Robert Jeffress, the Baptist pastor chosen to pray during the blessing of the embassy on Monday, praised President Trump as someone who “stands on the right side of you, O God, when it comes to Israel.” And the man known for his discriminatory views of Mormons and Muslims described Israel as blessing the world by pointing it to God “through the message of her prophets, the Scriptures, and the Messiah.”

Jeffress’ prayers weren’t troubling only because of his history of bigotry; they were steeped in a particular kind of right-wing Christian theology that believes that the institution of an embassy in Jerusalem will bring about violence and destruction on a cosmic scale. Known as premillennial dispensationalists, this subset of evangelicals reads the embassy as an important and necessary step to the bringing about of the Apocalypse.

The Apocalypse is broadly thought of as the end of the world and, to most people, its a time associated with destruction, judgment, the overthrowing of temporal powers, the return of the Messiah, the end of the world as we know it, and the beginning of a period of blissful eternal existence.

Though many texts in the Bible discuss the “Day of the Lord” and a coming time of judgement, the primary source text for this kind of perspective is the book of Revelation, the final book of the New Testament. Often erroneously credited to the author of the Gospel of John, Revelation or “the Apocalypse of John” is an example of what scholars call “apocalyptic literature,” a genre of ancient literature filled with coded symbols and predictions about the future. Revelation was likely written at the end of the first century during the reign of the Roman emperor Domitian. But because it is written in symbolically coded prophecy, Christians have been treating Revelation as a timetable for the end of the world ever since it was written.

Beginning in the 16th century, English puritans began to develop a view of human history in which time is divided into various “dispensations” (periods of time, each of which is illustrative of a particular period of the divine plan). The final period of human history, before the Last Judgment, is called the “millennial kingdom,” a 1,000-year period in which Christl reigns. This period is described in Revelation 20:1-8, and some early Christians, too, subscribed to the view that there would be a millennium of earthly reign before a final catastrophe.

The theological heirs to these puritanical Christians are those evangelicals who, like Jeffress, believe that the book of Revelation (with some supplements from the book of Daniel, Ezekiel, and 1 Thessalonians) provides a template for the end of the world. A central component of their theology is that true Christians will be spared any further suffering because they will be “raptured,” or taken up to heaven, before the final horrors begin. It’s everyone else who will suffer. If all of this sounds somewhat fringe, it’s worth bearing in mind that the apocalyptically styled Left Behind series that was published in the 1990s sold more than 80 million copies.

The specific order of end-time events can vary from preacher to preacher and group to group, but in general they share the view that the return of the Messiah will follow the rebuilding of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem and the restoration of the state of Israel as a kind of Jewish theocracy. As Dr. Greg Carey, professor of New Testament at Lancaster Theological Seminary and the author of Apocalyptic Literature in the New Testament, told The Daily Beast, “Rapture teachers teach that the end times revolve around Israel and Jerusalem.”

The problem is that things don’t go well for Israel or the Jews in particular. Carey explained that their promotion of “unwavering loyalty to the State of Israel” is tied to the fact that “they envision an international assault against the nation of Israel” at the end of times. The rebuilding of the temple is just “to prepare way for this final conflict.”

The problem is that while this is a joyful event for the small group of faithful Christians who are raptured, it spells disaster for members of other religions. “None of this is good news for the people who live in and around Jerusalem, who amount to pawns in this end-time scenario. The suffering of Arab peoples is taken for granted, while Jews take the brunt of this final ‘great tribulation.’” Carey observed that Jeffress himself thinks that Jews will not be saved without first converting to Christianity. The support of the state of Israel, therefore, should not be misconstrued as unwavering support for the religious rights of Jews; at the end of time Jews must convert or die.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-ev...ls-love-israel

Short version -- Evangelicals think that once Israel is a true Israel therocracy and the Old Temple is re-built it will bring the rapture in which Christians will go to heaven and anyone, Jews or Mussims etc who dont convert will die.

Strange bunch man but thats why hardcore Christians want a strong Israel = end times prophecy stuff.

Damn Sunnyside never heard this conspiracy theory…impressive! Daily Beast eh? Quality conspiracy here.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Damn Sunnyside never heard this conspiracy theory…impressive! Daily Beast eh? Quality conspiracy here.

Dude .. youve never heard this? This is well known. Funny you think this is conspiracy theory stuff. This is 100% real and 100% big time for Evangelicals.

https://www.brandeis.edu/israel-cent...-5-robins.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...imes-prophecy/

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journ...13A30EF218EBE4

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism

https://religionnews.com/2018/05/15/...s-love-israel/

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...ison-1.8851383

https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-10-...support-israel

https://www.city-journal.org/html/wh...hem-13068.html

https://www.cjnews.com/perspectives/...ews-to-convert


Chico .. you dont believe in the Bible? You dont believe in "The Rapture"? The Second Coming?

This is straight from Scripture and said repeatedly. I used to listen to religious talk radio down south and THIS is all they talk about.

[Chico23231]

Yeah man, end stuff prophecy times. That’s the link and the frame by this trash rag…is just fine

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Yeah man, end stuff prophecy times. That’s the link and the frame by this trash rag…is just fine

But it is exactly what the biggest nut bag trump supporters are clinging too. And you cozy right up to them. Get out while you can. Before the rapture!

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

And people were worried that the military industrial machine was in jeopardy after we pulled out of Afghanistan. No worries there is always a boogeyman to find. We can sleep well and assured now knowing Israel can target 5 year olds with out reason or consequence with our money. Now onto China.

Right. Yet Chico and a million others fall hook line and sinker for the AOC is a anti semite without even wondering why she voted against it.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Me waking up to all of the comments in the political threads.



Don't y'all know it's Friday!?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Me waking up to all of the comments in the political threads.



Don't y'all know it's Friday!?

You started the damn thread! Lol

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by punch it in

You started the damn thread! Lol

I should have named it:

The Saturday thru Thursday Fresh Start Political Thread.

And on the 7th day sdskinsfan2001 said there shall be peace.