Gun Control Thread- Should we?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Punch It In,

Close to home.

Guns, ammunition found during Ocean Township traffic stop, police say | NJ.com

Lovely.....

[RedskinRat]

Excellent article that goes much deeper into the question 'Why?' these atrocities are happening:

Newtown and Violence - No Easy Answer

Whilst I don't agree with this point:

President Obama has called for meaningful action. In government, meaningful action is often symbolic, done in speeches and codified into law. Gun control would at the very least signal that things have shifted, that we will not accept this type of violence, that we are willing to place limits on our freedom for the collective good of our children.

This resonates:

We need to get better at dealing with young men and women prone to violence through our schools and in our neighborhoods. We need to engage in prison reform, and to rework our senseless jailing of so many non-violent offenders (often to great profit for the people who run prisons) and to direct many more resources to lowering alcohol and drug use rather than a continued engagement in a violent drug war. Much of the saved money from that “war” could then go to funding more community approaches to addressing violence. So, yes, reform before and after these violent acts.

[Giantone]

Enact common sense gun laws,these could'nt hurt!

Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence : Second Amendment

The Supreme Court has reaffirmed that the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual the right to possess guns in the home for self defense. They Justices also stated that this right is “not unlimited” – elected officials may enact common sense gun laws to protect communities.



Those laws are needed to protect the safety of Americans. Too many individuals can obtain dangerous weapons far too easily in America. An epidemic of violence results when guns and even assault rifles can be purchased from unlicensed merchants at gun shows without a Brady criminal background check.



Think we don’t need to change that? Think again. In one year, more than 31,000 people die from gun violence – and close to 79,000 more are shot but survive gun injuries. That’s more than 100,000 people EACH YEAR who are killed or wounded with a gun in our country.



This is not about banning guns. It’s about responsibility in selling and owning guns – and making our homes, schools and communities safer. And you have a stake in it.

We all do

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Think we don’t need to change that? Think again. In one year, more than 31,000

Which year? Certainly wasn't 2011.

In 2011, an estimated 14,612 persons were murdered in the United States. This was a 0.7 percent decrease from the 2010 estimate, a 14.7 percent decline from the 2007 figure, and a 10.0 percent decrease from the 2002 estimate.

FBI — Murder

This is a total for murder, not just gun murder. I would suggest that you're telling lies again.

Please be thorough enough to post your sources other than an appallingly biased website. FBI should do.

Waiting.........

You could try here:

FactCheck.org : Gun Rhetoric vs. Gun Facts

However, Barber said gun violence has “dropped precipitously” from the early 1990s — a trend criminologists chalked up to “changes in the crack cocaine market.” Her observation is supported by crime data and surveys.
As we said earlier, the homicide rate since 1981 peaked in 1993 at 7 per 100,000. In addition, the Census Bureau’s annual National Crime Victimization Survey collects data on nonfatal firearm-related violent crimes, including those not reported to police. That data set shows a dramatic decline in gun violence since the early 1990s.

But you won't like the result.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

This is a total for murder, not just gun murder. I would suggest that you're telling lies again.

.

"Think we don’t need to change that? Think again. In one year, more than 31,000 people die from gun violence – and close to 79,000 more are shot but survive gun injuries. That’s more than 100,000 people EACH YEAR who are killed or wounded with a gun in our country."

I would suggest you might need some reading comprehension,it says gun vioence not just murder.


More facts you won't like....

USA Gun Violence Statistics | heedinggodscall.org

[RedskinRat]

'It' says.......

Cite your source. You can't substantiate it because it's a falsified figure.

You're a liar, a scaremonger and a waste of forum space.

[Giantone]

Opinions: Civilians have no rights to assault weapons | NJ.com


Pretty good opinion peace ..........

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

'It' says.......

Cite your source. You can't substantiate it because it's a falsified figure.

You're a liar, a scaremonger and a waste of forum space.

Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence : Second Amendment


and when you can't respond ,you call someone names.

[RedskinRat]

Brady Center is anti-gun. Post an independent, valid source.

I am using Government figures, not a lobbyists group, I expect you to do the same.

And also, calling you a liar is an accurate description, not name-calling. You tell lies. You're a liar.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Brady Center is anti-gun. Post an independent, valid source.

I am using Government figures, not a lobbyists group, I expect you to do the same.

And also, calling you a liar is an accurate description, not name-calling. You tell lies. You're a liar.

Oh ,so becuase you use one type of source I have to use that also, and if I don't I'm a liar,how old are you?The NRA is a lobbyest group and you have no problem throwing their stats out when you need them.

Typical gun culture thinking when they are matched up with facts ,they start personal attacks.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Oh ,so becuase you use one type of source I have to use that also,

Only if you want to be credible.

Originally Posted by Giantone

and if I don't I'm a liar,

No, you're a liar because you tell lies. Your most recent is using a distorted set of figures from a biased website. The worst was saying I mocked the shooting victims. Still waiting for an apology......

Originally Posted by Giantone

how old are you?

None of your business and irrelevant to the topic.

Originally Posted by Giantone

The NRA is a lobbyest group and you have no problem throwing their stats out when you need them.

And yet I don't, do I?

Originally Posted by Giantone

Typical gun culture thinking when they are matched up with facts ,they start personal attacks.

You haven't posed any facts, just some scaremongering figures which are wrong. I asked you from which year we had 30K of violent gun deaths? You never answered because you can't.

Claiming I am part of som nefarious 'gun culture' just makes you look more feebleminded and played by the media. I find it amusing, others may not.

[firstdown]

I'l have to say New Years at 12:00 I heard several rounds of guns going off mixed with fireworks. I'm living in a nice neighborhood (renting as we build) and was very surprised to hear guns being fired off to ring in the new year. Maybe it happened at my other house and I was just too drunk to notice.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I'l have to say New Years at 12:00 I heard several rounds of guns going off mixed with fireworks. I'm living in a nice neighborhood (renting as we build) and was very surprised to hear guns being fired off to ring in the new year. Maybe it happened at my other house and I was just too drunk to notice.

I can go down to the Indiana border and buy fireworks that are louder than gunshots.
Did you see any guns or just hear a boom?

[firstdown]

I heard the pop, pop, pop, of a gun not a firework. I to have fireworks louder then a gun and heard fireworks on new years louder I just know the sound of a gun.

[RedskinRat]

Here's a nice example today of a gun owner using his firearm to aid his family:

Daily Mail - Naked man shot breaking into Miami home, strangling pet Rottweiler.