Subtle Running Back Shuffle

MTK · 11-20-2012, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I guess my bigger point is going into training camp it was Hightower, Helu, Royster and Morris.

Now it's just Morris? I understand there were injuries, but something doesn't add up

Morris has surprised everyone, including Shanahan it seems.

Shanahan has gone with the committee approach in the past, but if he has a guy he believes can carry the load he's not afraid of feeding that guy til he drops. I think perhaps that's what we're seeing.

Chico23231 · 11-20-2012, 10:06 AM

Has Royster been healthy? I thought that was an issue coming into the season.

JoeRedskin · 11-20-2012, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Morris has surprised everyone, including Shanahan it seems.

Shanahan has gone with the committee approach in the past, but if he has a guy he believes can carry the load he's not afraid of feeding that guy til he drops. I think perhaps that's what we're seeing.

Yeah. I would go with this. Read an article where MS said Morris is a "special back". Not sure I heard him ever say that about Royster. He may have liked Royster, but not sure he ever was convinced he was a workhorse.

Helu and Hightower got injured seriously enough to take them completely out of the picture so it really came down to Morris/Royster and Morris just went into beast mode. Next year, I think Helu comes back and makes the perfect complement to him.

KI Skins Fan · 11-20-2012, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Monksdown

Shanahan walks through Reston Town Center and bumps into 3 guys every night that will give you 4 yards per carry. He devalues running backs and it's entirely likely that Alf is getting the rock 100% of the time to increase his trade value, ala Clinton Portis in Denver.

That makes no sense at all. In Morris, we have a RB who should have a 1,000+ yard rookie season, will only get better, and probably has many productive years ahead of him and you think he's being showcased for a trade? Despite Shanahan's stellar record in finding and developing RB's, players like Morris don't grow on trees. Adding to that, we don't have a proven back behind him. No, he won't be traded but Shanny will add some more RB bodies to help him next season.

Also, I strongly agree with those who think we need to add an explosive third down back. RGIII needs more weapons. With a couple more explosive players, our offense could be spectacular.

Monkeydad · 11-20-2012, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by los panda

his heart is tied to penn state, once all this kid touching business blows over, he'll get his mojo back

Are you kidding, Penn State is a RB factory! Even Royster, Blair Thomas, Ki-Jana Carter...look at that pedigree.

Wait, wrong side of the ball.

SmootSmack · 11-20-2012, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Morris has surprised everyone, including Shanahan it seems.

Shanahan has gone with the committee approach in the past, but if he has a guy he believes can carry the load he's not afraid of feeding that guy til he drops. I think perhaps that's what we're seeing.

Yeah, I'm not so sure I agree with what he's doing. But we'll see how it plays out

JoeRedskin · 11-20-2012, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah, I'm not so sure I agree with what he's doing. But we'll see how it plays out

Why not? It seems to be effective. Are you concerned with Morris blocking? To me, Royster just seemed to regress. He and Morris seemed to be similar backs but, to me, Morris has just been better. When Royster has had his oppotunities, he just hasn't shown me much.

Are you sleeping with Royster and afraid he may be cut and you may lose your inside source??

artmonkforhallofamein07 · 11-20-2012, 11:14 AM

Smoot's concern is wearing Morris down in this critical time in the season. Not having a back capable of getting Morris out of the game for a few plays to be able to keep him fresh. He is young but his body has never been through a grueling 16 game NFL season, and there has to be a worry there that he gets to many reps to the point of injury or just flat out fatigue.

JoeRedskin · 11-20-2012, 11:26 AM

I get the fatigue thing. At the same time, it's not like Royster has been cut. It's going to be more of the traditional primary RB offense. When Morris gets winded he sticks his hand up. In addition (I would hope), Shanny probably has Morris on a "pitch count" and certainly can give him a breather for a series or two.

SmootSmack · 11-20-2012, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Why not? It seems to be effective. Are you concerned with Morris blocking? To me, Royster just seemed to regress. He and Morris seemed to be similar backs but, to me, Morris has just been better. When Royster has had his oppotunities, he just hasn't shown me much.

Are you sleeping with Royster and afraid he may be cut and you may lose your inside source??

My cousin's neighbor dog walks for this lady whose 8th grade history teacher is Evan Royster's aunt's sister-in-law's life partner...without this source I got nothing!

JoeRedskin · 11-20-2012, 12:24 PM

Wait - I think that's my nanny's grandfather's second-cousin-twice-removed's florist.

Seriously, why do you have concerns about promoting Morris to full time back? Is it just the fatigue thing or do you have other concerns? (and no, this is not a "do you know something we don't know" question - just curious as to why you don't think it's a good idea).

SouperMeister · 11-20-2012, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 53Fan

That's what it sounds like to me. Morris wants to be a complete back..Shanahan thinks he's special and gave him a shot.

I would like to see Shanny utilize Morris out of the backfield as a receiver too. I think he can be a complete back. He certainly runs harder than Royster or Helu, but I hope that Helu comes back next year as the change of pace back. I have little use for Royster, and would be surprised if he makes the team next year.

SmootSmack · 11-20-2012, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Wait - I think that's my nanny's grandfather's second-cousin-twice-removed's florist.

Seriously, why do you have concerns about promoting Morris to full time back? Is it just the fatigue thing or do you have other concerns? (and no, this is not a "do you know something we don't know" question - just curious as to why you don't think it's a good idea).

I get that Royster has struggled this year in his limited opportunities, and I suppose they have their reasons for feeling neither Ryan Grant nor Steve Slaton belong on the roster.

But I don't want to see Morris worn out, not just for the rest of this season, but long term. He averaged around 20 yards a carry in college. Which I think is around where he's at right now, but that's just 12 games a year. Including preseason he's already surpassed that

FRPLG · 11-20-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I get that Royster has struggled this year in his limited opportunities, and I suppose they have their reasons for feeling neither Ryan Grant nor Steve Slaton belong on the roster.

But I don't want to see Morris worn out, not just for the rest of this season, but long term. He averaged around 20 yards a carry in college. Which I think is around where he's at right now, but that's just 12 games a year. Including preseason he's already surpassed that

Man you blew that stat. Haha.

That Guy · 11-20-2012, 01:26 PM

we knew he meant 20 carries a game. come on now. otherwise i'd put him in the hall myself

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11-20-2012, 10:06 AM	#32
Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 34,419	Re: Subtle Running Back Shuffle Has Royster been healthy? I thought that was an issue coming into the season. __________________ My pronouns: King/Your ruler He Gets Us

11-20-2012, 11:14 AM	#38
artmonkforhallofamein07 Pro Bowl Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Charleston , SC Posts: 5,001	Re: Subtle Running Back Shuffle Smoot's concern is wearing Morris down in this critical time in the season. Not having a back capable of getting Morris out of the game for a few plays to be able to keep him fresh. He is young but his body has never been through a grueling 16 game NFL season, and there has to be a worry there that he gets to many reps to the point of injury or just flat out fatigue. __________________ Just win.

11-20-2012, 11:26 AM	#39
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 61 Posts: 10,401	Re: Subtle Running Back Shuffle I get the fatigue thing. At the same time, it's not like Royster has been cut. It's going to be more of the traditional primary RB offense. When Morris gets winded he sticks his hand up. In addition (I would hope), Shanny probably has Morris on a "pitch count" and certainly can give him a breather for a series or two. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

11-20-2012, 12:24 PM	#41
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 61 Posts: 10,401	Re: Subtle Running Back Shuffle Wait - I think that's my nanny's grandfather's second-cousin-twice-removed's florist. Seriously, why do you have concerns about promoting Morris to full time back? Is it just the fatigue thing or do you have other concerns? (and no, this is not a "do you know something we don't know" question - just curious as to why you don't think it's a good idea). __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

11-20-2012, 01:26 PM	#45
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: Subtle Running Back Shuffle we knew he meant 20 carries a game. come on now. otherwise i'd put him in the hall myself .

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