Sean Taylor Charged with Aggravated Assault

Daseal · 06-05-2005, 04:31 PM

Washington Post reported today (Sunday) that he's only a person of interest and don't know if he was a victim, witness, or if he participated. I hope this is false!

offiss · 06-05-2005, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by redwagonskins

offiss,
dude flashing a gun at a guy is a crime...hate to break it to you, and since it involves said gun it is also a gun related cime. you can't just threaten people with a gat.
btw, do you think he has a concealed weapons permit or the gun is registered? doubt it.

The question is who are the witness's that he threatened with a gun? It may very well be the same people who stole his vehicle? If that turn's out to be the case Taylor will look like the victom not the perp.

Second, pointing a gun is a crime yes, but he didn't use it to inflict harm, the crime is the fact that he apparently pointed a gun.

Who said the gun was concealed? obviously it wasen't, if all this is true.

Judging from what I have read in this article I doubt there will be any charges pertaining to him owning or carrying a gun.

The first thing his lawer will do is turn everything around on this individual, and if it's found that this guy did steal his vehicle he has no creditability, but the fact is we know very little right now so we are going to have to wait and see.

What this will probably come to is this, if this individual or individuals did steal his vehicle he will probably get off, if it turn's out they didn't steal his SUV then he has a real problem.

http://crime.about.com/od/guns/f/gunlaw_fl.htm

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 06-05-2005, 05:16 PM

We've got a lot of speculation and few facts.

redwagonskins · 06-05-2005, 05:17 PM

inflicting harm does not matter. threatening to inflict harm is aggravated assault. aggravated assault is a felony. he has been charged with aggravated assault and released on bond. if indeed these guys stole his ATV's (not his car) and he had a permit for a weapon (yet to be determined) you still can't flash a gun at someone and then come back later and beat some guy up. it dosn't matter if they stole his crap, you can't brandish a weapon unless it's self defense. the fact that he left the scene then came back and beat some dude does not ring of self defense BUT aggravated assault. doesn't mean he'll be found guilty or go to jail. it DOES mean, he is a total jackass.

redwagonskins · 06-05-2005, 05:19 PM

Facts: "Taylor was accompanied by defense attorney Fred Moldovan when he surrendered on charges of aggravated assault with a firearm and simple battery, police said.

According to a police statement, Taylor pointed a gun at an unidentified person Wednesday during a dispute over two all-terrain vehicles he claimed were stolen. Taylor left the scene but returned about 10 minutes later and punched one person"
ESPN

That's the police statement. He pointed a gun (fact), beat some guy up (fact) and was charged with aggravated assault and simple battery (fact). There is not much speculation in saying the guy is facing some serious charges.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 06-05-2005, 05:23 PM

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8536477

Redwagonskins,

You're right that he can't flash a weapon and point it at someone unless there's a viable claim of self-defense. However, his returning to the scene doesn't necessarily destroy his self-defense claim (if there is one). If he felt threatened and there are facts to back up that claim, he might have a self-defense defense to the charge. Moreover, returning to the scene and hitting someone isn't aggravated assault - it's simple battery (hence the charge of simple battery).

You're also right that he's a total jackass (based on what we now know). But, we have few facts on which to base a judgment about how strong the State's evidence is, what Taylor did, what Taylor was responding to, in what circumstances he brandished a weapon, and in what circumstances he hit someone. Until I get more information about the whole incident, I still reserve final judgment about the situation and Taylor. My preliminary feeling though is that you are right and he's a total jackass.

offiss · 06-05-2005, 05:25 PM

The speculation is we are only hearing 1 side of the story, how do we know this guy didn't raise his fist at Taylor first, the fact that he came back doesn't look good but a good lawyer can turn anything, perhaps the individual said come back and I will give your atv's who know's, it's garbage that he's even involved in this, but there are 2 sides, and as usual Taylor hasen't said boo about his side.

This kid need's to get out of Florida pronto.

redwagonskins · 06-05-2005, 05:30 PM

I think what gets me about the guy is that he mopes through camp last year and the first few games because he isn't starting. He dosen't return ANY calls from Gibbs. He skips workouts. He's already had trouble off the field with the DUI (I know, I know, he was let off). He wants a new contract. He changes his number 4 times (36, 21, 36, 21...). He gets arrested for assault and battery. And the organization says they did this huge background check on him. So either this pattern of behavior has emerged in the last year or the background check was done by the weapons of mass destruction intelligence team.

REDSKINS TANK · 06-05-2005, 05:34 PM

TAYLOR'S CAREER COULD BE OVER.
He is in some deep shit friends. Looks like he might do 10-15. It's a damn shame because this kid really had potential to be one of the great ones. Hope we can get some of that money back.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

rickmmrr · 06-05-2005, 05:36 PM

Well, if this episode causes his agent to advise ST to shut his ass up and report to practice ASAP, then maybe some good can come out of it.

redwagonskins · 06-05-2005, 05:37 PM

Maybe the Skins can work some kind of work release program with the state of FL.

GoSkins! · 06-05-2005, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by REDSKINS TANK

TAYLOR'S CAREER COULD BE OVER.
He is in some deep shit friends. Looks like he might do 10-15. It's a damn shame because this kid really had potential to be one of the great ones. Hope we can get some of that money back.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

In any case, what ST did was not right. BUT, if it ends up that the guys he either pulled the gun on, or shot at were not the right guys, what prosecuter would let him off or cut a good deal? If he picked the wrong guys, he's toast.

offiss · 06-05-2005, 05:53 PM

It's a good thing his agent had his best interest's at heart, advising this kid to stay in florida so he can run around with his hommies was a grand idea.

Taylor is the classic case of an individual who can't live with money, now that he has it he think's he's invincible.

Paintrain · 06-05-2005, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redwagonskins

Facts: "Taylor was accompanied by defense attorney Fred Moldovan when he surrendered on charges of aggravated assault with a firearm and simple battery, police said.

According to a police statement, Taylor pointed a gun at an unidentified person Wednesday during a dispute over two all-terrain vehicles he claimed were stolen. Taylor left the scene but returned about 10 minutes later and punched one person"
ESPN

That's the police statement. He pointed a gun (fact), beat some guy up (fact) and was charged with aggravated assault and simple battery (fact). There is not much speculation in saying the guy is facing some serious charges.

They are not "(fact)" until they are proven in court. The police statement said Ray Lewis stabbed 2 people. The police statement said that O.J. murdered his wife and a friend. The police statement said that Robert Black murdered his wife. For that matter, the police statement said that Sean Taylor was driving drunk, appreared intoxicated and smelled of alcohol, how did that turn out? Until the jury speaks, nothing is "fact".

GoSkins! · 06-05-2005, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paintrain

They are not "(fact)" until they are proven in court. The police statement said Ray Lewis stabbed 2 people. The police statement said that O.J. murdered his wife and a friend. The police statement said that Robert Black murdered his wife. Until the jury speaks, nothing is "fact".

The jury doesn't decide FACT. They decide if a person could be guilty beyond reasonable doubt. Ray, O.J. and Blake know those facts, not the jury; AND not guilty does not mean they didn't do it.

06-05-2005, 04:31 PM	#46
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: Talyor 2 Be Charged 4 Aggravated Assault Washington Post reported today (Sunday) that he's only a person of interest and don't know if he was a victim, witness, or if he participated. I hope this is false! __________________ Best. Player. Available.

06-05-2005, 05:16 PM	#48
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: Talyor 2 Be Charged 4 Aggravated Assault We've got a lot of speculation and few facts.

06-05-2005, 05:17 PM	#49
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	Re: Talyor 2 Be Charged 4 Aggravated Assault inflicting harm does not matter. threatening to inflict harm is aggravated assault. aggravated assault is a felony. he has been charged with aggravated assault and released on bond. if indeed these guys stole his ATV's (not his car) and he had a permit for a weapon (yet to be determined) you still can't flash a gun at someone and then come back later and beat some guy up. it dosn't matter if they stole his crap, you can't brandish a weapon unless it's self defense. the fact that he left the scene then came back and beat some dude does not ring of self defense BUT aggravated assault. doesn't mean he'll be found guilty or go to jail. it DOES mean, he is a total jackass.

06-05-2005, 05:19 PM	#50
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	Re: Talyor 2 Be Charged 4 Aggravated Assault Facts: "Taylor was accompanied by defense attorney Fred Moldovan when he surrendered on charges of aggravated assault with a firearm and simple battery, police said. According to a police statement, Taylor pointed a gun at an unidentified person Wednesday during a dispute over two all-terrain vehicles he claimed were stolen. Taylor left the scene but returned about 10 minutes later and punched one person" ESPN That's the police statement. He pointed a gun (fact), beat some guy up (fact) and was charged with aggravated assault and simple battery (fact). There is not much speculation in saying the guy is facing some serious charges.

06-05-2005, 05:23 PM	#51
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: Talyor 2 Be Charged 4 Aggravated Assault http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8536477 Redwagonskins, You're right that he can't flash a weapon and point it at someone unless there's a viable claim of self-defense. However, his returning to the scene doesn't necessarily destroy his self-defense claim (if there is one). If he felt threatened and there are facts to back up that claim, he might have a self-defense defense to the charge. Moreover, returning to the scene and hitting someone isn't aggravated assault - it's simple battery (hence the charge of simple battery). You're also right that he's a total jackass (based on what we now know). But, we have few facts on which to base a judgment about how strong the State's evidence is, what Taylor did, what Taylor was responding to, in what circumstances he brandished a weapon, and in what circumstances he hit someone. Until I get more information about the whole incident, I still reserve final judgment about the situation and Taylor. My preliminary feeling though is that you are right and he's a total jackass.

06-05-2005, 05:25 PM	#52
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 60 Posts: 3,097	Re: Talyor 2 Be Charged 4 Aggravated Assault The speculation is we are only hearing 1 side of the story, how do we know this guy didn't raise his fist at Taylor first, the fact that he came back doesn't look good but a good lawyer can turn anything, perhaps the individual said come back and I will give your atv's who know's, it's garbage that he's even involved in this, but there are 2 sides, and as usual Taylor hasen't said boo about his side. This kid need's to get out of Florida pronto.

06-05-2005, 05:30 PM	#53
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	Re: Talyor 2 Be Charged 4 Aggravated Assault I think what gets me about the guy is that he mopes through camp last year and the first few games because he isn't starting. He dosen't return ANY calls from Gibbs. He skips workouts. He's already had trouble off the field with the DUI (I know, I know, he was let off). He wants a new contract. He changes his number 4 times (36, 21, 36, 21...). He gets arrested for assault and battery. And the organization says they did this huge background check on him. So either this pattern of behavior has emerged in the last year or the background check was done by the weapons of mass destruction intelligence team.

06-05-2005, 05:34 PM	#54
REDSKINS TANK Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 8	Re: Talyor 2 Be Charged 4 Aggravated Assault TAYLOR'S CAREER COULD BE OVER. He is in some deep shit friends. Looks like he might do 10-15. It's a damn shame because this kid really had potential to be one of the great ones. Hope we can get some of that money back. http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

06-05-2005, 05:36 PM	#55
rickmmrr Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 395	Re: Talyor 2 Be Charged 4 Aggravated Assault Well, if this episode causes his agent to advise ST to shut his ass up and report to practice ASAP, then maybe some good can come out of it.

06-05-2005, 05:37 PM	#56
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	Re: Talyor 2 Be Charged 4 Aggravated Assault Maybe the Skins can work some kind of work release program with the state of FL.

06-05-2005, 05:53 PM	#58
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 60 Posts: 3,097	Re: Talyor 2 Be Charged 4 Aggravated Assault It's a good thing his agent had his best interest's at heart, advising this kid to stay in florida so he can run around with his hommies was a grand idea. Taylor is the classic case of an individual who can't live with money, now that he has it he think's he's invincible.

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