June 1: Cuts are looming

Schneed10 · 05-31-2005, 02:15 PM

Confucious say he who live in glass house shouldn't throw stones.

I'd much rather have McNabb over Ramsey, Brunell, or Jason Campbell. We can knock McNabb all we want, but the bottom line is he'd be a serious upgrade over anything we already have here. He's a big-time player.

dirtbag2112 · 05-31-2005, 02:20 PM

WOW talk about missing the point.

dirtbag2112 · 05-31-2005, 02:23 PM

We also dont have a TO or a QB whos been in the same system for six straight years.
I'm not saying the guy sucks, I'm just saying that everyone is on their knees for this guy just because the eagles have been so successful.

Daseal · 05-31-2005, 02:43 PM

I think McNabb had a great year last year because of TO. I saw him scoop some passes off the ground.

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-31-2005, 03:01 PM

I don't know if TO was the single reason that McNabb's numbers skyrocketed. It is definitely a strange correlation, and I'm sure TO was part of it, but I think a lot of it really WAS McNabb coming into his own.

JWsleep · 05-31-2005, 03:18 PM

(Don't quite know how this got to be an iggles thread...)

Anyone we might pick up? Gibbs is always talking about upgrading, and being a place where folks can suceed if they work hard, etc. so I wouldn't be surprised to see a pickup.

Also, how does the rookie cap work with the regular cap? Is all our cap space really going to the rookies? This is obviously a question for Canuck, or any other of y'all capologists.

MTK · 05-31-2005, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I don't know if TO was the single reason that McNabb's numbers skyrocketed. It is definitely a strange correlation, and I'm sure TO was part of it, but I think a lot of it really WAS McNabb coming into his own.

I definitely agree.

He really came into his own as a pocket passer, TO definitely helped but you've got to give alot of the credit to McNabb.

Schneed10 · 05-31-2005, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWsleep

(Don't quite know how this got to be an iggles thread...)

Anyone we might pick up? Gibbs is always talking about upgrading, and being a place where folks can suceed if they work hard, etc. so I wouldn't be surprised to see a pickup.

Also, how does the rookie cap work with the regular cap? Is all our cap space really going to the rookies? This is obviously a question for Canuck, or any other of y'all capologists.

The NFL gives each team an amount for their "rookie pool", which for us is right around $4 million this year. So, the 2005 cap numbers for all of our draft picks can't exceed that $4 million number. By releasing Morton, Barrow, and Gardner, we'd figure to have at least $5 million in cap room or so. Then if we used up all of our $4 million pool on the draft picks when we sign them in July, that would leave us with $1 million or so to play around with.

jrocx69 · 05-31-2005, 04:14 PM

the first person who gets credit first is jim johnson, the guy is a genius when it comes to defense and finding hidden gems

next is andy reid, for making mcnabb who he is today. i think alot of coaches would have turned mcnabb into andre ware #2.

third is mcnabb for executing reid's calls for the offense which is strictly built around mcnabb

you cant give anyone more credit than jim johnson,

eagles lose blain bishop, they find michael lewis
eagles lose troy vincent, they find lito shephard
eagles lose bobby taylor, they find sheldon brown
eagles lose hugh douglas, they find derrick burgess

and jim always has them ranked very high with lost players and injuries

ill give him the credit over mcnabb anyday

Schneed10 · 05-31-2005, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I definitely agree.

He really came into his own as a pocket passer, TO definitely helped but you've got to give alot of the credit to McNabb.

Yeah TO has the effect of opening up the field. He tends to draw double-teams from safeties, leaving the middle of the field pretty open. LJ Smith showed enough speed this year to threaten that deep-middle part of the field, and hence McNabb had more space to throw into than in years past. Plus, Westbrook has given them a pretty electric receiving option out of the backfield.

In general, their weapons around McNabb were upgraded, so his increase in numbers has to be partially due to his improved teammates.

But you could make the case that McNabb has made the pro bowl several times in his career DESPITE having horrible weapons around him (before last year that is). Now he's just showing what he can do with good talent, and the numbers are pretty sick. It's a testament to his abilities.

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-31-2005, 04:20 PM

But also we know that Pro Bowl selections don't mean jack sometimes... Just how Griffin got shafted.

dirtbag2112 · 05-31-2005, 04:56 PM

The eagles O line should get some credit too. Any QB is gonna look good if he has all day to throw the ball!

dirtbag2112 · 05-31-2005, 04:59 PM

...and yes the probowl is the Grammys of football.

Skinsfanatic · 05-31-2005, 05:45 PM

Is it just me, or does anyone else want to keep Rod Gardner? I mean, he has his problems, but he has had some really good games, and if we have put up with his inconsistancy and he finally has his breakout year (he's been close before) for the Eagles, Giants or Cowboys I will be sick.

skinsfanthru&thru · 05-31-2005, 05:52 PM

any qb in a west coast style of offense better have a completetion percentage around 60% or so. I mean having 100+ completetions coming out of your backfield teamed up with 60+ completetions to tight ends on short routes is gonna help any qbs completetion percentage. When your total completetions to your rbs and te are greater than your total completetions to all of your wrs, you're in system built to give you a high completetion percentage. And while I still think Mcnabb's accuracy is pretty pathetic at times, I have absolutely nothing but respect (as well as quite a bit of hatred

) for the man's mobility and arm strength.

05-31-2005, 02:15 PM	#16
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 45 Posts: 12,421	Re: June 1: Cuts are looming Confucious say he who live in glass house shouldn't throw stones. I'd much rather have McNabb over Ramsey, Brunell, or Jason Campbell. We can knock McNabb all we want, but the bottom line is he'd be a serious upgrade over anything we already have here. He's a big-time player.

05-31-2005, 02:20 PM	#17
dirtbag2112 Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 293	Re: June 1: Cuts are looming WOW talk about missing the point.

05-31-2005, 02:23 PM	#18
dirtbag2112 Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 293	Re: June 1: Cuts are looming We also dont have a TO or a QB whos been in the same system for six straight years. I'm not saying the guy sucks, I'm just saying that everyone is on their knees for this guy just because the eagles have been so successful.

05-31-2005, 02:43 PM	#19
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: June 1: Cuts are looming I think McNabb had a great year last year because of TO. I saw him scoop some passes off the ground. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

05-31-2005, 03:01 PM	#20
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: June 1: Cuts are looming I don't know if TO was the single reason that McNabb's numbers skyrocketed. It is definitely a strange correlation, and I'm sure TO was part of it, but I think a lot of it really WAS McNabb coming into his own. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

05-31-2005, 03:18 PM	#21
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,714	Re: June 1: Cuts are looming (Don't quite know how this got to be an iggles thread...) Anyone we might pick up? Gibbs is always talking about upgrading, and being a place where folks can suceed if they work hard, etc. so I wouldn't be surprised to see a pickup. Also, how does the rookie cap work with the regular cap? Is all our cap space really going to the rookies? This is obviously a question for Canuck, or any other of y'all capologists. __________________ Hail from Houston!

05-31-2005, 04:14 PM	#24
jrocx69 Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dallas Age: 43 Posts: 461	Re: June 1: Cuts are looming the first person who gets credit first is jim johnson, the guy is a genius when it comes to defense and finding hidden gems next is andy reid, for making mcnabb who he is today. i think alot of coaches would have turned mcnabb into andre ware #2. third is mcnabb for executing reid's calls for the offense which is strictly built around mcnabb you cant give anyone more credit than jim johnson, eagles lose blain bishop, they find michael lewis eagles lose troy vincent, they find lito shephard eagles lose bobby taylor, they find sheldon brown eagles lose hugh douglas, they find derrick burgess and jim always has them ranked very high with lost players and injuries ill give him the credit over mcnabb anyday

05-31-2005, 04:20 PM	#26
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: June 1: Cuts are looming But also we know that Pro Bowl selections don't mean jack sometimes... Just how Griffin got shafted. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

05-31-2005, 04:56 PM	#27
dirtbag2112 Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 293	Re: June 1: Cuts are looming The eagles O line should get some credit too. Any QB is gonna look good if he has all day to throw the ball!

05-31-2005, 04:59 PM	#28
dirtbag2112 Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 293	Re: June 1: Cuts are looming ...and yes the probowl is the Grammys of football.

05-31-2005, 05:45 PM	#29
Skinsfanatic The Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,385	Re: June 1: Cuts are looming Is it just me, or does anyone else want to keep Rod Gardner? I mean, he has his problems, but he has had some really good games, and if we have put up with his inconsistancy and he finally has his breakout year (he's been close before) for the Eagles, Giants or Cowboys I will be sick.

05-31-2005, 05:52 PM	#30
skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 44 Posts: 3,813	Re: June 1: Cuts are looming any qb in a west coast style of offense better have a completetion percentage around 60% or so. I mean having 100+ completetions coming out of your backfield teamed up with 60+ completetions to tight ends on short routes is gonna help any qbs completetion percentage. When your total completetions to your rbs and te are greater than your total completetions to all of your wrs, you're in system built to give you a high completetion percentage. And while I still think Mcnabb's accuracy is pretty pathetic at times, I have absolutely nothing but respect (as well as quite a bit of hatred ) for the man's mobility and arm strength.

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