Mike Singletary Fired

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Gibbs was under .500 for his 2nd stint here, and DS would have let him continue on and heck he wanted to sign him on for an extension.

Joe Gibbs is the one guy that DS could not and would not fire. I don't think Shanahan has that type of leash. But I think he gets 3 years.

[DIEHARD1980]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Joe Gibbs is the one guy that DS could not and would not fire. I don't think Shanahan has that type of leash. But I think he gets 3 years.

That is the truest statement of all, There is no way DS could ever fire Gibbs. He is a legend in these parts like Joe Paterno is at Penn State.

[irish]

Luckily JG 2.0 stepped down when he did or this team would be even worse off than it is now as far as personnel.

[mlmpetert]

Heavy - A&E TV

I was watching some A&E last night and they have their new show coming out called Heavy (like Intervention or Hoarders for fat people) soon. One of the counselor seems just like Mike Singletary big time. Click on Watch a Preview and jump to the 45 second mark.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by DIEHARD1980

Both Andy Reid and John Harbaugh had 8 years plus of coaching experience in the college and professional level.

That's not what you said. You said hiring a position coach as a Head Coach will always be a disaster and we proved to you that what you're saying is incorrect.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by irish

Luckily JG 2.0 stepped down when he did or this team would be even worse off than it is now as far as personnel.

Between Gibbs, Zorn, and or front office we threw away 6 years and it will take time to fix that mess. Everyone thought the return of Gibbs was great (me too) but after his second year I knew he was done.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

i think andy reid went from position coach to head coach. some guys can do it and i though mike s. was going to be a great hc. i think his old school ways kind of did him in. all that getting in the players faces and berating them doesn't work in todays nfl. also i remember reading that his practices were a mess. very unorganized and messy. john gruden will be their next head coach.

Yup, not saying it can't be done, but saying that he needs more time before he's ready. He needs to see if he can be a successful coordinator before trying to run the show again, reason being that when that motivational nonsense starts to fall on deaf ears, the players have to be able to trust that you can formulate a winning strategy. Competence begets confidence.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Between Gibbs, Zorn, and or front office we threw away 6 years and it will take time to fix that mess. Everyone thought the return of Gibbs was great (me too) but after his second year I knew he was done.

You knew he was done after a 10-6 playoff year?

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Gibbs was under .500 for his 2nd stint here, and DS would have let him continue on and heck he wanted to sign him on for an extension.

To be fair, Gibbs II in just his second season went 10-6 and won a PLAYOFF game. In ten really long years 2000-2010 only Gibbs has taken us to the playoffs, and he did it twice in 4 years.
To be fair to Shanahan, we have to give Shanahan 3 to 4 years to really give him a fair chance to turn us around.
I am not impatient with Shanahan, give him time.
My only disappointment up to know with Shanahan is switching to 3-4 defense which set us even further back and created even more holes to fill on our roster. As if we did not already have a ton of holes to fill.
If you are going to do that, then commit to a total re-build and do not send valuable draft picks for an old veteran QB. Those two decision directly contradict themselves and was really poor planning.

[irish]

The problem with Gibbs 2.0 was that he gave away loads of draft picks that should now be contributing members of the Redskins. His record is what it is, its has lasting "legacy" of giving away draft picks thats really coming back to bite the organization now.

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by irish

The problem with Gibbs 2.0 was that he gave away loads of draft picks that should now be contributing members of the Redskins. His record is what it is, its has lasting "legacy" of giving away draft picks thats really coming back to bite the organization now.

So what did Charlie Casserly's years of bad draft picks do to us then ?

[DIEHARD1980]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

That's not what you said. You said hiring a position coach as a Head Coach will always be a disaster and we proved to you that what you're saying is incorrect.

well to be completely technical, i am wrong. So my question to you is, Do you feel Shanahan gives the redskins the best chance to win? if you do, send me some of that stuff you are smoking.

[Arrrgh!]

Given the disruption and uncertainty that's marked the past two seasons, I think it's only fair to say that the jury is still out on the Shannahans. I'd give 'em another season (at the very least) and allow their program to grow some roots, before I start making any hard and fast pronouncements.

[irish]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

So what did Charlie Casserly's years of bad draft picks do to us then ?

At least the Skins had the picks, made them, and they had the chance to pan out. With Gibbs 2.0 draft pick give-away, the Skins never even had those picks to see if they'd work. That's the thing with the draft, its an inexact thing so you need lots of picks to increase your chances of having more success and the misses dont hurt as much. When you only have a couple of picks you dont have any wiggle room, so a miss on a pick really creates big problems.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by irish

The problem with Gibbs 2.0 was that he gave away loads of draft picks that should now be contributing members of the Redskins. His record is what it is, its has lasting "legacy" of giving away draft picks thats really coming back to bite the organization now.

You are over simplifying the so called problem. Even when we had draft picks, we picked poorly. What good are draft picks if you have Vinny Cerrato and Snyder weighing on the decision. For example, the 2008 where we had 10 draft picks, not a single player is note worthy. Only Kareem Moore and Fred Davis are just now starting to make some noise. The rest are all gone or on IR.
The problem was not that we did not have enough draft picks. It was poor player evaluation/management. Proof is even the FA we signed sucked. Truth is Gibbs turned over a playoff to team Vinny and Zorn and they ran the teami nto the ground yet again.