Could Grimm get his first HC shot with the Panthers in 2011?

Dirtbag59 · 12-03-2010, 05:34 PM

It's Cowhers job to loose. As sad as it sounds all the Panthers have to make sure they do is follow the Rooney rule and then introduce Cowher the next day.

SmootSmack · 12-03-2010, 05:45 PM

I don't get the feeling Cowher wants the Carolina job.

SmootSmack · 12-03-2010, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

The abject collapse of the Arizona Cardinals' offense this season will not be a positive entry on Grimm's resume if he goes interviewing...

Generally, "hot cooridnators" in the head coaching market tend to come from successful teams. Cards are probably one of the 5 worst...

How exactly are you defining "successful"?

sportscurmudgeon · 12-04-2010, 12:35 PM

In no way is the collapse of the Cardinals offense the fault of Russ Grimm. That is the objective truth.

Hiring decisions for coaches are "not always" based on objective truth or even rational facts. (See events surrounding the hiring of Jim Zorn for an example here.)

When offensive coodinators or defensive coordinators get their first head coaching jobs, they USUALLY come from teams that have been successful in the year prior to their hiring. (That statement does not include the situation where a team stinks, fires its coach, puts in one of its coordinators who does sufficiently well to get the job despite the fact that the team stunk the year before.)

The fact is that the Cardinals are a bad team this year. At the moment they are 3-8; looking at their schedule, they will be fortunate to finish 5-11; they might completely go in the tank and finish 3-13. The Cardinals' offense does not put the Fear of God into any of the league's defensive coordinators this season. That too is a fact...

And so, when the NFL game of Coaching Musical Chairs begins, Russ Grimm will be handicapped by those situations. I don't think it will make him "unhirable" but it will make the job of selling himself to an NFL owner/GM a bit tougher than it would be if the Cards team and offense were very good.

Look around the league at the other teams that are 3-8 (or close to 3-8). How many of their coordinators do you think will be "hot candidates" for the open coaching positions come January 2011? Forget whether or not it is fair, Russ Grimm gets lumped into that category of coaches as of December 2010 - - because that is where his team finds itself.

If Bill Cowher takes the Carolina job, I would not be shocked to see Grimm leave Arizona and head to Carolina. I've been told that by more than one little birdie...

rypper11 · 12-04-2010, 01:58 PM

Cowher doesn't want to go to SC. I see him coaching NC State or Chapel Hill but not the Panthers.
Richardson definitely wants a first time HC because they are cheaper.

GusFrerotte · 12-06-2010, 11:49 PM

Shoot I would love Grimm as our HC if Shanny doesn't work out, but Russ will be taken by then.

SmootSmack · 12-07-2010, 12:00 AM

Still curious how you're defining successful, SC

12-03-2010, 05:34 PM	#16
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12-03-2010, 05:45 PM	#17
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12-04-2010, 12:35 PM	#19
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Could Grimm get his first HC shot with the Panthers in 2011? In no way is the collapse of the Cardinals offense the fault of Russ Grimm. That is the objective truth. Hiring decisions for coaches are "not always" based on objective truth or even rational facts. (See events surrounding the hiring of Jim Zorn for an example here.) When offensive coodinators or defensive coordinators get their first head coaching jobs, they USUALLY come from teams that have been successful in the year prior to their hiring. (That statement does not include the situation where a team stinks, fires its coach, puts in one of its coordinators who does sufficiently well to get the job despite the fact that the team stunk the year before.) The fact is that the Cardinals are a bad team this year. At the moment they are 3-8; looking at their schedule, they will be fortunate to finish 5-11; they might completely go in the tank and finish 3-13. The Cardinals' offense does not put the Fear of God into any of the league's defensive coordinators this season. That too is a fact... And so, when the NFL game of Coaching Musical Chairs begins, Russ Grimm will be handicapped by those situations. I don't think it will make him "unhirable" but it will make the job of selling himself to an NFL owner/GM a bit tougher than it would be if the Cards team and offense were very good. Look around the league at the other teams that are 3-8 (or close to 3-8). How many of their coordinators do you think will be "hot candidates" for the open coaching positions come January 2011? Forget whether or not it is fair, Russ Grimm gets lumped into that category of coaches as of December 2010 - - because that is where his team finds itself. If Bill Cowher takes the Carolina job, I would not be shocked to see Grimm leave Arizona and head to Carolina. I've been told that by more than one little birdie... __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

12-04-2010, 01:58 PM	#20
rypper11 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,228	Re: Could Grimm get his first HC shot with the Panthers in 2011? Cowher doesn't want to go to SC. I see him coaching NC State or Chapel Hill but not the Panthers. Richardson definitely wants a first time HC because they are cheaper. __________________ Playing a kids game for a kings ransom.

12-06-2010, 11:49 PM	#21
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: Could Grimm get his first HC shot with the Panthers in 2011? Shoot I would love Grimm as our HC if Shanny doesn't work out, but Russ will be taken by then.

12-07-2010, 12:00 AM	#22
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Could Grimm get his first HC shot with the Panthers in 2011? Still curious how you're defining successful, SC __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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