Gibbs Comments on Pierce, et al.

celts32 · 03-03-2005, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jacobyfan

Have you heard Gibbs or Williams say anything bad about ANY of our players in this type of situation? Pierce's smarts are likely not needed as much now that the rest of the team knows the defense. I'll trust Gibbs and WIlliams on this one. There has only been one real mistake they've made since they've been here and that's Brunell. It was a mistake a lot of other teams were also willing to make.

Let's stop with any talk that our D is going to suck next year just because we're losing Pierce. It's totally absurd. We'll have Bowen and Arrington back and a healthy D-line as well as the possibility of a siny new pass-rushing DE from the draft. It's also a little nuts to compare Pierce to Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, and Edge.

Here's my prediction: The D will be BETTER next year, not worse. They will still rank in the top 5 for yards allowed and they will have more turnovers.

Priority #1 is building a dynasty. That may sound a bit crazy for a team that hasn't made the playoffs in so long, but we can't pile on now or we will have to let a TON of players go next offseason. Notice what the Patsies have done the last few seasons. They do what it takes to keep MOST of their continuity each year. If you try to keep all of it every year, you end up like the Titans this offseason.

Look I hope your all right and we don't miss Pierce. All I know is yesterday there was just about 100% agreement on this site that the Redskins needed to resign Pierce and he was the biggest priority. And now that he's gone we are quick to say that everything is fine and we can do without him. Well I don't think that way. I will think everything is fine when I see that everything is fine. I love the Redskins as much as anyone in the world, but I don't like Koolaid...

Daseal · 03-03-2005, 02:35 PM

jacobyfan - no other team was willing to give up a 3rd rnd pick and a huge contract to Brunell.

Now WE know what other teams feel like this time of year!

Daseal · 03-03-2005, 02:36 PM

Celts - there was a minority of us that saw Smoot as the more important piece. Either way - we'll survive.

celts32 · 03-03-2005, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

Celts - there was a minority of us that saw Smoot as the more important piece. Either way - we'll survive.

That may be, I certainly didn't ask everyone individually. My point though is that almost everyone yesterday thought that getting Pierce back was very important. And now that we didn't were supposed to jump to the other side and say that it's okay and we didn't need him that bad. Well I don't agree with that, I think he was important and i am more than a little bit pis*ed off that we didn't sign him. Hopefully, someone else can do the job next year. But I am sure not going to sit here while the ink on that Giants contract is not even dry yet and say that every thing is just fine...

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-03-2005, 03:13 PM

I think the reason most people were thinking that is because of continuity. THAT was the importance. Now that he IS gone though, I DO believe we will be fine without him.

jacobyfan · 03-03-2005, 03:16 PM

I did think Pierce AND Smoot were very important, but you can't overpay like the Giants have done. We've overpaid way too much in the past and I think at least as a trend, this is promising. Hopefully after this year we'll be a place to come and play for a good team and a good coach instead of to just get your pockets filled by the Danny. I am dissapointed that Pierce is going to be gone but not nearly as much as I will be if Smoot is gone. I'm willing to bet that the Skins have as good of a plan in free agency and the draft as they have ever had. I'm talking about a MULTI-year plan, too. Not this pay a bazillion dollars to win this year stuff like in 2000. A plan for long-term success. Pierce, at the money he's getting from the g-men, would dislodge other imortant pieces in that plan.

JWsleep · 03-03-2005, 03:27 PM

Amen, JacobyFan! I completey agree. Look, we've been the ATM of the league, and now we're excercising some control. Sometimes when you do that you lose good players. But the culutre is changing, and that's what matters. Look at the Pats. That's a better model for building a team then opening the checkbook for everyone (we've tried that!), and we're moving in that direction. We're not at the point where it makes sense to break the bank for Pierce, even though we like him.

celts32 · 03-03-2005, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jacobyfan

I did think Pierce AND Smoot were very important, but you can't overpay like the Giants have done. We've overpaid way too much in the past and I think at least as a trend, this is promising. Hopefully after this year we'll be a place to come and play for a good team and a good coach instead of to just get your pockets filled by the Danny. I am dissapointed that Pierce is going to be gone but not nearly as much as I will be if Smoot is gone. I'm willing to bet that the Skins have as good of a plan in free agency and the draft as they have ever had. I'm talking about a MULTI-year plan, too. Not this pay a bazillion dollars to win this year stuff like in 2000. A plan for long-term success. Pierce, at the money he's getting from the g-men, would dislodge other imortant pieces in that plan.

I agree with a lot of what you say about being more responsible money wise. I just thought that given how well Pierce ran the defense that he would be worth a little extra. His contract is an average of 4 mil a year for 6 years, with 6.5 gaurenteed I think. Is 4 mil a year really to much for your starting MLB? I don't really know, and we have never been told what they did offer him. Maybe it was to much, but in the heat of the moment I am ticked off that we couldn't retain him. it just seems like the only time the Redskins practice any fiscal sanity is when it comes to retaining one of their own. As long as we are working on correcting bad habits, that is one bad habit that i would like to see broken...

Daseal · 03-03-2005, 03:31 PM

Celts - it's a change. You can't blame the guys for chasing money, but if we stop overpaying and start winning we'll start getting some free agents looking for more of a winning atmosphere than money (Corey Dillion.)

joecrisp · 03-03-2005, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinRat

I hope to see the D actually SCORE more this season. Convert the turnovers, the Offense can't seem to.

SUNRA? Is that you?

BIGREDSKINFAN63 · 03-03-2005, 05:16 PM

they should have resigned pierce,as for smoot,his bark is a lot worse than his bite.

That Guy · 03-03-2005, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by celts32

That may be, I certainly didn't ask everyone individually. My point though is that almost everyone yesterday thought that getting Pierce back was very important. And now that we didn't were supposed to jump to the other side and say that it's okay and we didn't need him that bad. Well I don't agree with that, I think he was important and i am more than a little bit pis*ed off that we didn't sign him. Hopefully, someone else can do the job next year. But I am sure not going to sit here while the ink on that Giants contract is not even dry yet and say that every thing is just fine...

dont' worry about the past and things you can't control

Its just the realist reaction... he's gone, so what's the plan now?

I think gibbs saw the horror of our 2006 cap and wanted to brace for it now (since he plans to be with us next year and beyond) instead of signing every single core player (like the titans) and being forced to blow up the team in a couple years... parcells is coaching to win now, gibbs is looking at the long term and what kind of precidents to set... It sucks we have to start now on him, but if williamss really wanted him, he'd be back.

MTK · 03-03-2005, 06:18 PM

Pierce was a valuable part of our defense and it stinks to see him go, but I'm pleased to see the team finally show some financial restraint. The team obviously placed a # on him and the Giants exceeded it. Gotta move on.

monk81 · 03-03-2005, 06:37 PM

I'm glad we aren't overpaying for players as we have done in the past. But what irks me is that this guy is now playing for a team within our Division!!! So much for loyalty Pierce. I'm glad the Cowboys jumped the gun so if Smoot isn't re-signed he won't end up in Dallas.....or perhaps even the Cowboys thought Smoot wanted WAY too much perhaps that's a GOOD sign...........maybe Smoot will come down to earth a bit with his $$$$ and can fit into the Redskins plans........

MTK · 03-03-2005, 06:49 PM

Pierce is showing loyalty...

to the cabbage, the greenbacks, the duckets, etc.

We'd all be doing the same thing.

Hey he did keep his word and give the Skins the chance to match. That's more than you can ask from today's player.

03-03-2005, 02:35 PM	#17
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: Gibbs Comments on Pierce, et al. jacobyfan - no other team was willing to give up a 3rd rnd pick and a huge contract to Brunell. Now WE know what other teams feel like this time of year!

03-03-2005, 02:36 PM	#18
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: Gibbs Comments on Pierce, et al. Celts - there was a minority of us that saw Smoot as the more important piece. Either way - we'll survive.

03-03-2005, 03:13 PM	#20
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: Gibbs Comments on Pierce, et al. I think the reason most people were thinking that is because of continuity. THAT was the importance. Now that he IS gone though, I DO believe we will be fine without him. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

03-03-2005, 03:16 PM	#21
jacobyfan Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Nashville, TN Age: 45 Posts: 172	Re: Gibbs Comments on Pierce, et al. I did think Pierce AND Smoot were very important, but you can't overpay like the Giants have done. We've overpaid way too much in the past and I think at least as a trend, this is promising. Hopefully after this year we'll be a place to come and play for a good team and a good coach instead of to just get your pockets filled by the Danny. I am dissapointed that Pierce is going to be gone but not nearly as much as I will be if Smoot is gone. I'm willing to bet that the Skins have as good of a plan in free agency and the draft as they have ever had. I'm talking about a MULTI-year plan, too. Not this pay a bazillion dollars to win this year stuff like in 2000. A plan for long-term success. Pierce, at the money he's getting from the g-men, would dislodge other imortant pieces in that plan.

03-03-2005, 03:27 PM	#22
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,714	Re: Gibbs Comments on Pierce, et al. Amen, JacobyFan! I completey agree. Look, we've been the ATM of the league, and now we're excercising some control. Sometimes when you do that you lose good players. But the culutre is changing, and that's what matters. Look at the Pats. That's a better model for building a team then opening the checkbook for everyone (we've tried that!), and we're moving in that direction. We're not at the point where it makes sense to break the bank for Pierce, even though we like him. __________________ Hail from Houston!

03-03-2005, 03:31 PM	#24
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: Gibbs Comments on Pierce, et al. Celts - it's a change. You can't blame the guys for chasing money, but if we stop overpaying and start winning we'll start getting some free agents looking for more of a winning atmosphere than money (Corey Dillion.)

03-03-2005, 05:16 PM	#26
BIGREDSKINFAN63 Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: bassett-va Age: 61 Posts: 289	Re: Gibbs Comments on Pierce, et al. they should have resigned pierce,as for smoot,his bark is a lot worse than his bite. __________________ "7 days without the redskins, makes one weak!!!"

03-03-2005, 06:18 PM	#28
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Re: Gibbs Comments on Pierce, et al. Pierce was a valuable part of our defense and it stinks to see him go, but I'm pleased to see the team finally show some financial restraint. The team obviously placed a # on him and the Giants exceeded it. Gotta move on. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-03-2005, 06:37 PM	#29
monk81 The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: TEXAS Posts: 2,029	Re: Gibbs Comments on Pierce, et al. I'm glad we aren't overpaying for players as we have done in the past. But what irks me is that this guy is now playing for a team within our Division!!! So much for loyalty Pierce. I'm glad the Cowboys jumped the gun so if Smoot isn't re-signed he won't end up in Dallas.....or perhaps even the Cowboys thought Smoot wanted WAY too much perhaps that's a GOOD sign...........maybe Smoot will come down to earth a bit with his $$$$ and can fit into the Redskins plans........ __________________ "It's absolutely criminal, in my opinion, that Monk has yet to be enshrined (in the Pro-Football Hall of Fame)" Dan Arkush PFW

03-03-2005, 06:49 PM	#30
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Re: Gibbs Comments on Pierce, et al. Pierce is showing loyalty... to the cabbage, the greenbacks, the duckets, etc. We'd all be doing the same thing. Hey he did keep his word and give the Skins the chance to match. That's more than you can ask from today's player. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

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