At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Then when they say no, you just go bash some heads? Show em how its done!

Sounds good to me.

Ok maybe not force them to take whoever we decide to give them but they do have a need for a decent QB and the lot of you seem to think JC is 1st round talent so that must mean he's decent enough. They also have need on the DL. We could debate giving them AH but then I'd think they would owe us something. The Rams were trying to get out of the spot looking into trade scenarios so why not explore what they want? Not saying it has to go down but simply ask what they would be willing to take in return with out throwing in a bunch of draft picks.

Obviously you don't want to do it too soon cause then other teams will have time to out bid you if they think about it long enough. So I presume we wait till draft day and talk trade. Throw in a steak dinner, some female escorts, all will be well.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'd think they'd be very willing to do that if they weren't going to take Bradford. Get a quarterback, get out of the money, and probably land the guy you were chasing anyway.

But if that's the case, we shouldn't trade up, we should be looking to land Bradford at No. 4 (which again, assumes that that's a good idea against a lot of mounting evidence).

Rumors I've heard were exactly that....

They were looking to trade out of the #1 spot cause they didn't want to have to pay a Rookie that kind of money.

They didn't want to too far down the draft where they couldn't get the guy they were interested in.

On top of that there is the rumor that Spags was almost let go cause the owners were not happy with last year but were talked into giving him one more year. Because of this I heard Spags may not want to put all his cards on an unproven rookie QB cause it might just be his job.

I know what they say about rumors but if any of this is anywhere near the truth I can see us making a decent trade. They get the QB spot settled with a decent QB who is safe with the ball. They get a decent DE which they need and Carter still has gas left but might not fit in a 3-4 for us. Plus they get the #4 pick to take whoever they want...Tackle or DL.

[hail_2_da_skins]

Never. If Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma St is not available at #4 then I would go with the next best left tackle. Other excellent candidates are Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland, Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma, Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa, Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers, and Vladimir Ducasse, OT, Massachesetts. The Redskins offensive line is in shambles. The offense will never get off the ground floor, if the Redskins do not address the line.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Rumors I've heard were exactly that....

They were looking to trade out of the #1 spot cause they didn't want to have to pay a Rookie that kind of money.

They didn't want to too far down the draft where they couldn't get the guy they were interested in.

On top of that there is the rumor that Spags was almost let go cause the owners were not happy with last year but were talked into giving him one more year. Because of this I heard Spags may not want to put all his cards on an unproven rookie QB cause it might just be his job.

I know what they say about rumors but if any of this is anywhere near the truth I can see us making a decent trade. They get the QB spot settled with a decent QB who is safe with the ball. They get a decent DE which they need and Carter still has gas left but might not fit in a 3-4 for us. Plus they get the #4 pick to take whoever they want...Tackle or DL.

The owners from the Rams of 2009 are basically lame ducks, so what does it matter whether they're happy or not?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

Never. If Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma St is not available at #4 then I would go with the next best left tackle. Other excellent candidates are Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland, Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma, Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa, Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers, and Vladimir Ducasse, OT, Massachesetts. The Redskins offensive line is in shambles. The offense will never get off the ground floor, if the Redskins do not address the line.

You would really take someone like Ducasse at #4 overall just to say you took an OT?

[hail_2_da_skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You would really take someone like Ducasse at #4 overall just to say you took an OT?

The point I was trying to make, the Skins should be able to select either the top rated left tackle on their board or the second rated. I do not have access to their draft board but these two guys should be on that list.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

Never. If Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma St is not available at #4 then I would go with the next best left tackle. Other excellent candidates are Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland, Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma, Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa, Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers, and Vladimir Ducasse, OT, Massachesetts. The Redskins offensive line is in shambles. The offense will never get off the ground floor, if the Redskins do not address the line.

There's maybe 1 other OT I'd think about at 4

at that point you could try to trade back.. you could get Clausen AND one of those guys

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

most NFL GMs and media pundits would disagree with you. what do you know that people who do this for a living (and get paid 6-7 figures annually to do so) don't?

Other than Holmgren's comments about Clausen (which could be a smokescreen) what do you know about what "NFL GMs" are thinking? If I've missed something, I'm happy to listen. As far as pundits, Kiper has Clausen ranked high. McShay, not so much. But most don't have Clausen falling out of the top 15.

[GTripp0012]

I did have Denver taking Clausen at No. 11, and they still might take him. But the premise of this thread looked at the Quinn trade and thought, man, after Denver there is a shortage of demand for a Quarterback.

The Evan Sliva/PFT Mock Draft had Clausen dropping to the Vikings at No. 30. Without a Mock that allows trades, it's impossible to gauge how much a player will fall. I actually am quite confident that Arizona plans on drafting Clausen if he is available when they pick. But then again, Minnesota could go up to get him thinking that Arizona will take him, and Arizona might get antsy in anticipation of someone trading up and go up to stop his fall. And I think Dallas is a darkhorse candidate to get involved in a first round quarterback.

So it's impossible for me to gauge Clausen's true value without offering some sort of trade hypothetical. I do think the team that drafts him will trade for the pick to draft him. Houston, New England, and Cincinnati, right in that 20/22 range, could get lucky if Clausen gets out of the top ten and slides.

I don't think he's getting out of the first round or anything, but this is a year where a projectable QB could fall because of the market/perceived gap between Bradford.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I did have Denver taking Clausen at No. 11, and they still might take him. But the premise of this thread looked at the Quinn trade and thought, man, after Denver there is a shortage of demand for a Quarterback.

The Evan Sliva/PFT Mock Draft had Clausen dropping to the Vikings at No. 30. Without a Mock that allows trades, it's impossible to gauge how much a player will fall. I actually am quite confident that Arizona plans on drafting Clausen if he is available when they pick. But then again, Minnesota could go up to get him thinking that Arizona will take him, and Arizona might get antsy in anticipation of someone trading up and go up to stop his fall. And I think Dallas is a darkhorse candidate to get involved in a first round quarterback.

So it's impossible for me to gauge Clausen's true value without offering some sort of trade hypothetical. I do think the team that drafts him will trade for the pick to draft him. Houston, New England, and Cincinnati, right in that 20/22 range, could get lucky if Clausen gets out of the top ten and slides.

I don't think he's getting out of the first round or anything, but this is a year where a projectable QB could fall because of the market/perceived gap between Bradford.

I don't think he gets past the Bills at 9. Also, remember Pete Carroll recruited him out of HS and lost to Weis.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Rumors I've heard were exactly that....

They were looking to trade out of the #1 spot cause they didn't want to have to pay a Rookie that kind of money.

They didn't want to too far down the draft where they couldn't get the guy they were interested in.

On top of that there is the rumor that Spags was almost let go cause the owners were not happy with last year but were talked into giving him one more year. Because of this I heard Spags may not want to put all his cards on an unproven rookie QB cause it might just be his job.

I know what they say about rumors but if any of this is anywhere near the truth I can see us making a decent trade. They get the QB spot settled with a decent QB who is safe with the ball. They get a decent DE which they need and Carter still has gas left but might not fit in a 3-4 for us. Plus they get the #4 pick to take whoever they want...Tackle or DL.

You didn't answer the question though. Why would you want to trade up to No. 1 for a guy who would, in your hypothetical, be available at No. 4?

Pure and simple, if you're trying to buy Bradford from the Rams, it's going to cost you a Jay Cutler type package. Next year's first and probably third, as well as this year's fourth and the fourth overall pick. That's a lot different from Campbell and Carter, two players who don't have long term value to us. You're going from giving up about three marginal wins in players, 2 of which come from Campbell this season (projected...by me, sorry) to giving up multiple first round picks and future considerations. And you get...well, Sam Bradford.

Or, if the Rams were going to pass on him, you just take him at No. 4 for no additional cost.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I don't think he gets past the Bills at 9. Also, remember Pete Carroll recruited him out of HS and lost to Weis.

I'm not sure the Bills are even considering a QB. I think they want to go the vet route. Clausen would be a disaster there, anyway, as they cannot protect the quarterback.

According to SS, Clausen would love to play for Carroll, but I've got to say: if money talks, Whitehurst isn't there to backup someone.

I can't rule out Oakland because you can never rule out Oakland. And I wouldn't sleep on Jacksonville. And there's Kansas City, who is obviously not married to Cassel. And we're so tight to the vest right now that I have no idea if we've stopped considering him or have decided to take him (or anywhere in between). But if he gets to Denver and they don't take him, then commence free-fall.

[skinsnut]

I would NOT trade UP to get Jimmy Clausen.
Retarded question.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm not sure the Bills are even considering a QB. I think they want to go the vet route. Clausen would be a disaster there, anyway, as they cannot protect the quarterback.

According to SS, Clausen would love to play for Carroll, but I've got to say: if money talks, Whitehurst isn't there to backup someone.

I can't rule out Oakland because you can never rule out Oakland. And I wouldn't sleep on Jacksonville. And there's Kansas City, who is obviously not married to Cassel. And we're so tight to the vest right now that I have no idea if we've stopped considering him or have decided to take him (or anywhere in between). But if he gets to Denver and they don't take him, then commence free-fall.

I said Clausen would love to play for Carroll? I think others have said that. All I've said, I believe, is that Clausen seems to think (though this was before Whitehurst) he could land in Seattle and would love to stay on the West Coast. Though he has also said he spent some time in DC recently and could definitely see himself in a Redskins uniform.

Wouldn't rule out Bills, Raiders, and Jags for JC. Though I still don't expect anything to happen before draft weekend.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

why is the draft so stinking far away from now?