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[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Audi

The thing is, Matt Leinart fell quite a bit, and according to Bill Polian, there are little to no surprises in the first round of the NFL draft, only to "analysts" and "fans" who know a lot less.

I haven't read the entire post so maybe I am missing something but I think it is a little too early to assume that Leinart wasn't a good pick at 10. He has had some success and I am not going to assume he is a bust because they started a legitimate Hall of Fame candidate over him.

Leinart could still be a good QB whether he fell a few slots or not. If it wasn't for Reggie Bush fumbling, he would have been a 2 time National Champion.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Totally agree. We would be giving them possibly a pro bowl in a draft pick and a QB who's safe with the ball. Two starters for one. I agree. But some would lead you to believe that it's a bad deal for the Rams in regards to the whole points assigned to each draft pick.

I think if both Shanahan's want Bradford bad enough then there will or is a trade scenario already planned. The only sure spot in the draft to get the player you want is at #1.

No disrespect but it would be an absolutely horrible move to give up Campbell (or anyone else on the team with value) in order to trade up to #1 from #4.

Seeing how fiscally prudent our FO has been with the offseason deals, I just don't see it happening.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

let's not forget that the colts (though under different leadership) were the ones to pick jeff george in the 1st round, number 1 overall even

Were the signs there that he was going to refuse to work?

As far as a pure passer, Jeff George was one of the best of all time. He put up video game numbers when he had Carter and Moss.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Lotus

^ One might argue that the QB pickings this year are slim. After Bradford and Clausen, every other QB has serious red flags.

One might also argue that the tackle class this year is fairly deep. That is, one could pick up someone like Ducasse in the second round and turn him into a very reasonable LT, with seasoning time.

If these two arguments are true, then if we are to build a new offense around a new QB and new LT, drafting QB first and T second might be the best choice.

All that said, I'll dance if we come home from the draft with Okung instead of a first round QB.

Too many good QBs out there to just relegate it to the top 4 as potential franchise Qbs. What are the red flags with Stull? Kafka had a pretty decent combine and did great at the Northwestern Pro day. What are the serious issues with Crompton from Tenn or Hall from BYU? The only guy that I have been touting since the end of the CFB season that I have been following in the combines that is suspect has been Canfield, whose arm was on the weak side and not accurate. Bradford and Clausen are hot but are not sure things, and if recent draft history has any bearing on this, it is that these higly touted college QBs also have a high failure rate at becoming franchise guys. The quality is there this year at QB in the draft past the top 4.

[doughtydoubter]

in totally buying my "sexy rexy" jersey today

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

No disrespect but it would be an absolutely horrible move to give up Campbell (or anyone else on the team with value) in order to trade up to #1 from #4.

Seeing how fiscally prudent our FO has been with the offseason deals, I just don't see it happening.

I'm not saying it's a fair deal or one I like. I'm just pointing out a few things.
#1- The only sure spot is at #1. Any spot after leaves you guessing if your pick gets taken prior to your draft spot.

#2- Giving the Rams our #4 for their #1 will not be an even trade.

#3- I'd prefer we didn't throw away 2 draft picks to move up.

#4- Because of #3 we would have to come up with a decent trade scenario.

#5- The Rams have need at QB and DL.

#6- It has been reported that the Rams owners were not happy with Spags and their season. Rumor is he's been given a second year to turn things around. Knowing this would Spags throw all his eggs in one basket for a Rookie QB? JC is not a franchise QB but he is safe with the ball and learns offenses pretty quickly. Plus when they need 2 spots they would get them both.

#7- We are not getting so it seems a lot of teams banging down our door to pick up JC or trade for him. Due to the high tender. My opinion I'd even think about giving the Rams JC, the #4 pick, and Carter. I know the love fest for Carter but he is up in age, doesn't like playing in 3-4 defenses, and we have Jarmin and now AH can be moved to DE. Carter is expendable.

[htownskinfan]

how much is grossman getting anyway?
I cant believe the cards are paying Derek Anderson 7 million,so glad we didnt sign him

[SBXVII]

What I find really funny though is we have 2 pages of Rex and like 17 pages of who should we draft. LOL.

Welcome to the Skins Rex.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I'm not saying it's a fair deal or one I like. I'm just pointing out a few things.
#1- The only sure spot is at #1. Any spot after leaves you guessing if your pick gets taken prior to your draft spot.

#2- Giving the Rams our #4 for their #1 will not be an even trade.

#3- I'd prefer we didn't throw away 2 draft picks to move up.

#4- Because of #3 we would have to come up with a decent trade scenario.

#5- The Rams have need at QB and DL.

#6- It has been reported that the Rams owners were not happy with Spags and their season. Rumor is he's been given a second year to turn things around. Knowing this would Spags throw all his eggs in one basket for a Rookie QB? JC is not a franchise QB but he is safe with the ball and learns offenses pretty quickly. Plus when they need 2 spots they would get them both.

#7- We are not getting so it seems a lot of teams banging down our door to pick up JC or trade for him. Due to the high tender. My opinion I'd even think about giving the Rams JC, the #4 pick, and Carter. I know the love fest for Carter but he is up in age, doesn't like playing in 3-4 defenses, and we have Jarmin and now AH can be moved to DE. Carter is expendable.

I am guessing that you are not high on Campbell and must be star struck by Bradford.

Your points are good ones but if we actually traded Campbell, Carter and our #4 pick for a complete uncertainty along with the #1 pick's contract, the league should step in and start running our team. That scenario is crazy.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I am guessing that you are not high on Campbell and must be star struck by Bradford.

Your points are good ones but if we actually traded Campbell, Carter and our #4 pick for a complete uncertainty along with the #1 pick's contract, the league should step in and start running our team. That scenario is crazy.

I agree, we would be giving up way too much in that scenario. I think the Grossman acquistion is a sign that JC is staying and Brennan is a goner.

[Ruhskins]

According to the Sporting News, Tebow has five team-specific workouts, and the Redskins is one of those teams.

With improved mechanics, Tebow shows 'he's a quarterback' - Matt Hayes - College Football - Sporting News

Here's another QB I'm not sold on.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I am guessing that you are not high on Campbell and must be star struck by Bradford.

Your points are good ones but if we actually traded Campbell, Carter and our #4 pick for a complete uncertainty along with the #1 pick's contract, the league should step in and start running our team. That scenario is crazy.

No I'm no longer high on Campbell. When we had Brunell and picked up Campbell I was excited. Hearing all the fluff I was hoping we finally had a franchise QB picked late in the first round. Hell we even moved up to get him. After 6yrs and very little improvement I'm pretty much done. Throw in whatever excuse you choose to use "It was the OL", "It was the scheme changes", "It was bad HCing." I don't care, I'm done.

He reminds me of ARE. Paid him a lot of money and he has not lived up to his contract. JC is a very good QB but will never be a franchise QB. If we keep him I'm ok with it. He's servicable. If we get some sort of draft pick for him I'm good with that also. You say I'm not high on JC, your correct, I was at first but have fallen off his bandwagon over time. I was also a Mason fan and have since fallen off his bandwagon.

Am I high on Bradford.... kinda yes. I'm more high on any QB that has more accuracy then JC. What I kept hearing was Bradford has the best accuracy, then McCoy was next but he doesn't have a strong arm for the long passes. While looking up Clausen today, which is why I posted the remarks on him, I was supprised to see he's supposed to be an accurate passer and has the arm to make all the throws. If this is so then I'd be happy with him cause I think Shanahan will check him if his ego gets too big.

Lastly, I'm more interested in QB at #4 or moving up to get which ever QB Shanahan thinks is best for his system because like others have said... this years QB draft pool is limited in talent. Probably the top 3 Bradford, Clausen, McCoy will pan out to be something early on. The rest are questionable and most likely would need time to build their skills. However at OL there is an abundance of talent. Rumor I hear is Okung is good but might not be good in a zone blocking scheme. His lateral movement is not as good as most zone blocking LT's should be. Not that he's not a great LT or should not be listed as the top prospect. It's just the zone blocking LT's are in abundance and are not projected to go in the first round.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

No I'm no longer high on Campbell. When we had Brunell and picked up Campbell I was excited. Hearing all the fluff I was hoping we finally had a franchise QB picked late in the first round. Hell we even moved up to get him. After 6yrs and very little improvement I'm pretty much done. Throw in whatever excuse you choose to use "It was the OL", "It was the scheme changes", "It was bad HCing." I don't care, I'm done.

He reminds me of ARE. Paid him a lot of money and he has not lived up to his contract. JC is a very good QB but will never be a franchise QB. If we keep him I'm ok with it. He's servicable. If we get some sort of draft pick for him I'm good with that also. You say I'm not high on JC, your correct, I was at first but have fallen off his bandwagon over time. I was also a Mason fan and have since fallen off his bandwagon.

Am I high on Bradford.... kinda yes. I'm more high on any QB that has more accuracy then JC. What I kept hearing was Bradford has the best accuracy, then McCoy was next but he doesn't have a strong arm for the long passes. While looking up Clausen today, which is why I posted the remarks on him, I was supprised to see he's supposed to be an accurate passer and has the arm to make all the throws. If this is so then I'd be happy with him cause I think Shanahan will check him if his ego gets too big.

Lastly, I'm more interested in QB at #4 or moving up to get which ever QB Shanahan thinks is best for his system because like others have said... this years QB draft pool is limited in talent. Probably the top 3 Bradford, Clausen, McCoy will pan out to be something early on. The rest are questionable and most likely would need time to build their skills. However at OL there is an abundance of talent. Rumor I hear is Okung is good but might not be good in a zone blocking scheme. His lateral movement is not as good as most zone blocking LT's should be. Not that he's not a great LT or should not be listed as the top prospect. It's just the zone blocking LT's are in abundance and are not projected to go in the first round.

I have yet to see a reliable and somewhat trustworthy source on this. Maybe if the pundits were actually talking of the Redskins drafting Okung instead of a QB, there'd be more talk about this.

Okung hands down is the best tackle in the draft, and from what I have read on him it sounds like he would be fine in zone blocking. But if someone finds an analysis that says otherwise, please do share it.

[SBXVII]

LOL, Sorry I had to post.....

http://www.mouthpiecesports.com/medi...exgrossman.jpg

I think it must be one of those karma sutra positions. Good ole Sexy Rexy.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

LOL, Sorry I had to post.....

http://www.mouthpiecesports.com/medi...exgrossman.jpg

I think it must be one of those karma sutra positions. Good ole Sexy Rexy.

Wrong on soooo many levels!