ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

No way we get a 1st and 3rd for Campbell. It just won't happen. Plus we should keep him anyway because Bradford will be a rookie.

This talk of contract tender has nothing to do with trade value. If this report is right, we are not trading JC for a 1 and a 3. We are simply offering a contract at that level. Then, if we want to trade him, we can trade him for whatever we want.

[T.O.Killa]

I think he is wrong. If the Redskins tender him like that it would simply be out of respect. They can give him a low level tender and still get a first(must give original pick). Mid level tender would give us a second, which would be good value for Jason.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Why do people think Clausen would be a good pick at 4. The dude is a second round caliber QB who will be drafted in the first round because its such a weak QB class. Drafting Clausen at 4 would be the absolute worst possible way to use the pick. At 36, it would be a decent move.

Here's another link for you:

Mel Kiper: Jimmy Clausen jumps inside the top 5 in the pre-combine mock - ESPN

You and McShay are in the minority on this one.

[WaldSkins]

Im more interested to find out what Carlos Rogers tender is

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Hell if we got a 1st and 3rd for him I'd vote for Obama in 2012.

Ditto, only I would vote for Sarah Palin!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by irish

For all his starting experience you'd think he'd have even a little pocket presence and feel for the position but he doesnt. I agrre that he could be a decent back up but he's not a starter that will take a team anywhere.

Would you keep him on the roster as a backup? Supposing that you couldn't trade him, and it was either keep him or let him go.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Would you keep him on the roster as a backup? Supposing that you couldn't trade him, and it was either keep him or let him go.

i would love for him to be our back-up qb, that would be awesome, but i don't see that happening

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Most folks have Clausen going top 10. Matt McGuire at Walter Football makes the argument for Clausen very strong. McShay is wrong on this one.

WalterFootball.com: The NFL Matt Draft - Matt McGuire's NFL Draft Blog

"First, I am going to tell you why you might not like Clausen......Notre Dame is the most hated football program in America, period. They are the Duke of the gridiron. Automatically, you hate Clausen because he went to Notre Dame, just like you hated J.J. Reddick because he went to Duke. If you want to make an analysis as objective and professional as possible, then you need to cut the crap and get over the Notre Dame hate if you have it - and a lot of that is out there.......

Maybe you don't like Clausen because of the blond, spiky hair, or the limo appearance he had when he was a senior in high school to declare for Notre Dame. These aren't "low profile" characteristics and automatically, you might have disliked him. For whatever reasons you're down on Clausen, please put them in the back seat and have an open mind when reading this blog entry."

Agreed that McShay is wrong on Clausen. It's not preposterous to grade him as a second rounder, at least no more preposterous than grading him as a top five type, but he compares favorably (IMO) to Stafford, Sanchez, and Freeman from a year ago, and Stafford and Sanchez both had top half of the round grades from McShay.

Taking him at four...probably a bit of a stretch. But in the Dirtbag trademarked Bradford-Okung-Suh scenario, Clausen isn't really more of a reach than Bulaga or CJ Spiller as need players. It would be justifiable if Bradford and Okung and Suh were gone, although the BPA principle would likely suggest that the best players are on defense.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Why do people think Clausen would be a good pick at 4. The dude is a second round caliber QB who will be drafted in the first round because its such a weak QB class. Drafting Clausen at 4 would be the absolute worst possible way to use the pick. At 36, it would be a decent move.

But honestly I don't see Bradford as bringing much more to the table than Clausen. Bradford has pocket presence and decent accuracy, but his weak arm will hold him back in this league. I don't understand how people are comparing him to Brees and Rivers. Please...! Both of those guys can throw a 25 yard bullet and air it out for 60 yards. Video of Bradford shows even his short passes w/ a wobbly arc.

...anyway I think either QB at 4 is a terrible decision. I trust Shanny and Allen know this. They wait another year to draft a QB or find a gem somewhere else in the league.

[gully]

According to warpaths salary figures salary last year was 2.858 Million.

The tender for a 1st and a 3rd pick level is 3.268 Million.

RFAs can be tendered at the amount specified or 110 percent of last years salary ($3.144M) whichever is greater.

So Clayton is merely saying that Campbell will get the only RFA tender possible. The other alternatives would be no tender, allowing him to walk, or the franchise or transition tags, both of which would be much more expensive.

And the skins are free to accept less in the way of draft pick compensation if they choose.

[bedlamVR]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

sooooooo

how long is your ban over at ES? I'm sure that they miss your insight

LOL !

I was thinking the same thing ... what is with all the negativity in Redskins nation at the moment ? I mean I have seen more positive discussion about the Redskins on the Cowboyszone board than I have on ES ....

I am not as convinced as the pundits are that we are going to take a QB in the first . I know Shananhan wants a QB to develop but there are so many holes ...

What is refreshing is we are not getting reports every five minutes about Allen and Shanahan are in love with X or Y ...

This 1-3 Tender almost guarantees that Campbell is going nowhere this season and I think that is the right decision . I think Campbell is a good QB on a bad team ... just mosdest improvements in play calling, running games and pass protection and Campbell will improve as he year on year .

What amazes me is how many want to give up on proven NFL players for the next shiny new thing from the ranks of the collage game .

[bedlamVR]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Why do people think Clausen would be a good pick at 4. The dude is a second round caliber QB who will be drafted in the first round because its such a weak QB class. Drafting Clausen at 4 would be the absolute worst possible way to use the pick. At 36, it would be a decent move.

I actually agree . I think any other year Clausen would be a mid round pick he is bolstered by being the starter in for three years in an improving program . His numbers are really not that impressive look at what is said about him in this scouting report

"Clausen started nine games in 2007, throwing for 1,254 yards with a 56.3 completition percentage (138-245) and a 7-6 touchdown-interception ratio. The numbers are not mind-boggling, but put them with a visibly weak offensive line, a lackluster running attack and almost no speed outside, and they are a testament to his ability. Clausen had a breakthrough sophomore campaign in 2008, when he passed for 3,172 yards, completing 60.9% (268-440) of his passes with an impressive 25-17 TD/INT ratio. He threw for 3,722 yards with 28 TDs and only 4 interceptions this past year to solidify his status as one of the best signal callers in the country."

Jimmy Clausen Scouting Report - 2010 NFL Draft Prospect

In collage terms that is mediocre accuracy . The 28-4 TDs is good but I question how much that is the team and how much that is Clausen...

What concerns me more is the various reports about his attitude . I think it may be overblown but I think attitude is the one thing that stops NFL player reaching their potential . Cutlers Child like mentality lost Shanahan his job when Cutler broke apart the locker room, he subsequently managed to damage his own career by being traded to an inferior team because he cried about Josh McDaniel's looking ( but not putting in a trade request or making significant esquires) at other QBs .

The biggest bone of contention publically revolves around when he started his college career with an announcement at the College Hall of Fame where he arrived in a limo and wearing a handful of high school championship rings, wants to clear up any and all concerns that he might be an arrogant prima donna of a quarterback whose attitude is incompatible with the NFL's subdued corporate identity, locktight PR protocols, and demanding workload.

Other have said he has an abrasive attitude and really doesn't have that top tier WOW talent that makes you over look it . I could see Clausen becoming like a Jay Shcroder mk 2.0 or worse a Jay Cutler or Jeff Geroge . The guy he most reminds me of is Chris Simms .

That said I am not a NFL talent evaluator and if the Redskins FO see something in him and take him 4th overall then I will give the guy a chance but if we pass on him then I am not going to be supprized or upset .

[terpsez11]

[QUOTE=CultBrennan59;663755]we would never get a 1st and 3rd for him, tender him for something we would get for him like a 3rd or 4th[/QUOTE
(I am ready to see him move on too)
but for a 3rd or a 4th?...

that is months of a shock-worn bias talking there..He threw for 3600 yards...is not a turnover machine and has been a solid professional in a situation not of his making

that should get him more attention from GMs than the value you've placed on him

[terpsez11]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Most folks have Clausen going top 10. Matt McGuire at Walter Football makes the argument for Clausen very strong. McShay is wrong on this one.

WalterFootball.com: The NFL Matt Draft - Matt McGuire's NFL Draft Blog

"First, I am going to tell you why you might not like Clausen......Notre Dame is the most hated football program in America, period. They are the Duke of the gridiron. Automatically, you hate Clausen because he went to Notre Dame, just like you hated J.J. Reddick because he went to Duke. If you want to make an analysis as objective and professional as possible, then you need to cut the crap and get over the Notre Dame hate if you have it - and a lot of that is out there.......

Maybe you don't like Clausen because of the blond, spiky hair, or the limo appearance he had when he was a senior in high school to declare for Notre Dame. These aren't "low profile" characteristics and automatically, you might have disliked him. For whatever reasons you're down on Clausen, please put them in the back seat and have an open mind when reading this blog entry."

strong stuff...stats rarely lie

[Bigreds77]

Taking skilled players when we need OL. Is Vinny still in control?