Haslett to accept Defensive Coordinator

[30gut]

Originally Posted by dmek25

30, no way i want Daniels on the team next season. and Carter at linebacker looked ugly in San Fran

Why?
Daniels played well last year and he's a natural fit for a 3-4 DE.

I didn't see Carter play when he was in San Fran, i can only go by what i heard. And i heard that he struggled; but Carter is a good at 4-3 DE and being that he has experiece playing 3-4 OLB it stands to reason he could be decent at 3-4 OLB.

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

does anyone know how rocky and blades compare in hight and weight ?
i'm guessing rocky is taller and slimmer while blades is short and stocky.

Rocky is around 6'2 238
Blades is around 5'10 242

is a short and stocky guy really who we want taking on blocks from big, heavy o-linemen ?

Would you rather a 'taller, slimmer' guy who isn't used to taking on blocks from heavy OL or an actual SAM backer who is used to taking on a shedding blocks?

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by davy

How I see the switch to 3-4 happening...

This is why we need to switch to the 5-2. That is what our best players are built for.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Rocky is around 6'2 238
Blades is around 5'10 242



Would you rather a 'taller, slimmer' guy who isn't used to taking on blocks from heavy OL or an actual SAM backer who is used to taking on a shedding blocks?

well you said rocky was too small ? seems to me it would be easy to get rocky to gain a few pounds. just to be clear though, i'm not saying rocky is the right guy for the job. i just don't see how blades would fair much better. blades seems too small to me.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

well you said rocky was too small ? seems to me it would be easy to get rocky to gain a few pounds. just to be clear though, i'm not saying rocky is the right guy for the job. i just don't see how blades would fair much better. blades seems too small to me.

Because Blades has actually played 4-3 SAM backer.
Meaning he's used to the pounding of taking on and shedding blocks.
In a 4-3 scheme that we run the Rocky the WILL is protected by design and shouldn't have to fight off blocks from OL very often.
In a 3-4 scheme one of the ILB is going to have a role like that of a 4-3 SAM and one ILB will be 'protected' much like a MLB/WILL.

And for the ILB role known as 'buck' i think Blades is better suited then Rocky.

BTW-Maybe small is the wrong word, but i think you know what i mean
Blades at 5'10 242 is much more stout then Rocky at 6'2 238.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by davy

How I see the switch to 3-4 happening...

During a conference call Monday to discuss his first Pro Bowl appearance, Skins linebacker London Fletcher said he didn't think the transition would be a problem.

"Our main defense was basically an under front that was similar, really, to what Dallas did ... the way we aligned our front," said Fletcher. "The only difference was instead having a stand-up outside linebacker, Andre Carter just had his hand on the ground. You can imagine him standing up, we're pretty much Dallas."

FanFeedr | NFL | 25 Jan 10 | Fletcher’s OK with a 3-4 defense

Its not going to be a seamless transistion but i don't think its quite the round peg square hole you make it out to be.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Because Blades has actually played 4-3 SAM backer.
Meaning he's used to the pounding of taking on and shedding blocks.
In a 4-3 scheme that we run the Rocky the WILL is protected by design and shouldn't have to fight off blocks from OL very often.
In a 3-4 scheme one of the ILB is going to have a role like that of a 4-3 SAM and one ILB will be 'protected' much like a MLB/WILL.

And for the ILB role known as 'buck' i think Blades is better suited then Rocky.

BTW-Maybe small is the wrong word, but i think you know what i mean
Blades at 5'10 242 is much more stout then Rocky at 6'2 238.

i just don't see blades as the answer but maybe i'm wrong.

[terpsez11]

[QUOTE=30gut;657743]I'm a bit late to the party but Haslett is a welcome change imo regardless of his scheme...

...I think that Haynesworth would make a good possibly great NT if he were to embrace the position, but most likely he won't. But he could be an equally disruptive 3-4 DE.


***DE-Haynesworth (He should freakin dominate here)

OLB-Orakpo-Beast***

Wow.. imagine those two on the same side

you nailed the Carter thing..he openly resisted playing LB
for the 49ers

[Longtimefan]

Haslett is actually by no means a surprising hire, Snyder wanted him in 1999 to replace Norv Turner even before he had officially bought the team. After purchasing the team he made an immediate move to get Haslett then the DC in Pittsburgh. Cower refused because he couldn't replace Haslett on such short notice just before training camp was about to begin. In fact Cower became so enraged at Snyder's poaching attempt that in 2004 he refused permission for Russ Grimm to join Gibbs' staff. Snyder has waited eleven years to get Haslett on the Redskins staff, the hiring of Shanahan helped make it possible for him.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

i just don't see blades as the answer but maybe i'm wrong.

I'm not saying he's the 'answer'.
I'm just saying that he appears more suited to playing the 'buck' ILB in a 3-4 then any of our current linebackers.

Imo an 'answer' at that position would be Rolando McClain.

[davy]

Originally Posted by 30gut

During a conference call Monday to discuss his first Pro Bowl appearance, Skins linebacker London Fletcher said he didn't think the transition would be a problem.

"Our main defense was basically an under front that was similar, really, to what Dallas did ... the way we aligned our front," said Fletcher. "The only difference was instead having a stand-up outside linebacker, Andre Carter just had his hand on the ground. You can imagine him standing up, we're pretty much Dallas."

FanFeedr | NFL | 25 Jan 10 | Fletcher’s OK with a 3-4 defense

Its not going to be a seamless transistion but i don't think its quite the round peg square hole you make it out to be.

The rest of that story is more along the lines I'm thinking...

"But I don't think it will be quite that simple for Fletcher and the Redskins. Brian Orakpo should be an excellent outside linebacker in a 3-4 but there's no guarantee that Carter makes an easy transition. And I think Fletcher may have the most difficult transition of any player for the Skins. In a 4-3, he could simply race to the football and make a ton of tackles. In a 3-4 scheme, he'll have to take on centers and guards that outweigh him by nearly 100 pounds on a regular basis.

Former Cowboys linebackers Dat Nguyen and Dexter Coakley were both smallish linebackers who tried to make the transition to Bill Parcells' favored 3-4. Coakley was soon playing for another team and Nguyen's career ended because of a neck injury. They had been highly effective players in Mike Zimmer's 4-3, but they were too small to excel in a 3-4 scheme.

Fletcher's an excellent linebacker, but I don't think he'll be as productive in a 3-4 scheme. The Redskins will start to look for larger inside linebackers in free agency and the draft."

[30gut]

Originally Posted by davy

The rest of that story is more along the lines I'm thinking...

"But I don't think it will be quite that simple for Fletcher and the Redskins. Brian Orakpo should be an excellent outside linebacker in a 3-4 but there's no guarantee that Carter makes an easy transition. And I think Fletcher may have the most difficult transition of any player for the Skins. In a 4-3, he could simply race to the football and make a ton of tackles. In a 3-4 scheme, he'll have to take on centers and guards that outweigh him by nearly 100 pounds on a regular basis.

Former Cowboys linebackers Dat Nguyen and Dexter Coakley were both smallish linebackers who tried to make the transition to Bill Parcells' favored 3-4. Coakley was soon playing for another team and Nguyen's career ended because of a neck injury. They had been highly effective players in Mike Zimmer's 4-3, but they were too small to excel in a 3-4 scheme.

Fletcher's an excellent linebacker, but I don't think he'll be as productive in a 3-4 scheme. The Redskins will start to look for larger inside linebackers in free agency and the draft."

I kinda addressed this earlier, but....

There are 2 ILB in a 3-4 scheme.
There is the 'buck' and the 'mack'.
The buck is usually a very stout player because they have to take on and shed blocks from fullbacks and OL.
The 'buck' is very similiar to a 4-3 SAM backer.

The uncovered or free hitter is the 'mack' he's the playmaker ILB his role is similiar to a 4-3 MIKE or WILL.

Here's a link that explains the roles a little:
Bishop captures attention - JSOnline

Both Rocky and Fletcher fit the 'mack' role much better then the buck role.
I think Blades is a better fit at the 'buck' position because he's actually played SAM backer and at 5'10 242 he's a sturdy dude.

The author of the article really didn't go into detail about which position he didn't think London was a fit for but right off the bat London (5'10 245) is bigger then either Coakley(5'10 230) or Nyugen (5'11 238) and he's been a more productive player then either Coakley or Nyugen. London's average tackles per season are higher then Coakley highest total and i think its higher then Nyugen's also.

Ray Lewis and A.J. Hawk are more similiar to London then Coakley or Nyugen and both have made successful transitions.
There is no question imo that a LB of Fletcher's ability can make the transition especially as the 'mack' ILB because his role won't change that much.
His 'numbers' might go down but i don't see any reason other then age or injury that he would be a less effective player.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Haslett is actually by no means a surprising hire, Snyder wanted him in 1999 to replace Norv Turner even before he had officially bought the team. After purchasing the team he made an immediate move to get Haslett then the DC in Pittsburgh. Cower refused because he couldn't replace Haslett on such short notice just before training camp was about to begin. In fact Cower became so enraged at Snyder's poaching attempt that in 2004 he refused permission for Russ Grimm to join Gibbs' staff. Snyder has waited eleven years to get Haslett on the Redskins staff, the hiring of Shanahan helped make it possible for him.

Ah the 'Snyder is still meddling' chorus.. So there's no merit to the fact that Shanny and Haslett spent 2 weeks together during the season discussing philosophy and watching tape? Snyder had numerous times to bring Haslett in if he was so determined to do so over the past 11 years.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Ah the 'Snyder is still meddling' chorus.. So there's no merit to the fact that Shanny and Haslett spent 2 weeks together during the season discussing philosophy and watching tape? Snyder had numerous times to bring Haslett in if he was so determined to do so over the past 11 years.

Quite the contrary, Shanahan and Haslett meeting during the course of the season discussing strategies makes the union now even more understandable. Nothing to do with Snyder meddling, and we don't know for fact Snyder didn't want to get Haslett here on more than one occasion since his initial inquiry, circumstances associated with his being contracted elsewhere could have prevented it.

[tryfuhl]

Larry Michael interview

Meet The Coaches - Jim Haslett, Defensive Coordinator

Says Orakpo rushed about 400 times, want to get him to about 800 rushes this season

Haynesworth, will just have to sit down and explain to him what's going to happen and whatnot, could play end or tackle (but earlier didn't commit to 3-4)

Said he thought Carter would like what they could do with him in 3-4 vs the diff situation in SF

Loves Fletcher of course

A LOT of talk about turnovers needed

biggest challenge = overlook rank, turnovers = wins.. saints as example

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Larry Michael interview

Meet The Coaches - Jim Haslett, Defensive Coordinator

Says Orakpo rushed about 400 times, want to get him to about 800 rushes this season

Haynesworth, will just have to sit down and explain to him what's going to happen and whatnot, could play end or tackle (but earlier didn't commit to 3-4)

Said he thought Carter would like what they could do with him in 3-4 vs the diff situation in SF

Loves Fletcher of course

A LOT of talk about turnovers needed

biggest challenge = overlook rank, turnovers = wins.. saints as example

Haynesworth isn't looking for adulation to become inspired. I think he wants to see the d coordinator use a scheme that maximizes his own abilities, because as $100 million man on defense Albert believes (rightly IMO) the defense should be built around him. Blache didn't do that well enough. Our run defense sagged badly against good running games. Hopefully Haslett can make it happen.

...one thing that worries me is Haslett's comments about the Saints defense. Overall stats didn't matter all that much for Williams' group because he was a flat out genius this year about dialing up the pressure at the right time to create turnovers. Would Williams also like to have a shut-down defense (especially among the front seven)? Of course!!! Haslett, IMO, doesn't have near the genius Williams possesses when it comes to scheme and reading an offense. His defenses have been underwhelming.