T.O. Thoughts

[redrock-skins]

Anyone else agree with what T.O. said that if Favre had done what he did, they'd be calling him a "warrior"?

[irish]

TO is 100% correct. I think TO was treated the way he was partly because he's black and partly because he's a showboat. Favre gets extra credit partly because he's white and partly because he's a nice guy. Favre also get a pass on all his mistakes (and he made a bunch in the playoff loss to Minn) for the same reasons while TO's mistakes are discussed ad nauseum.

I never thought he could play and he ended up being Philly's best WR (which does not say much for the other healthy WRs on Philly) in the SB.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Posters on The Warpath love to refer to various Redskins' players as "warriors". What Terrell Owens did yesterday in the Super Bowl is definitely "warrior like". That ought to be a measuring stick for any player in the league to be identified as a "warrior" no matter what uniform he is wearing at the time.

I am trying to recall any Redskin player on the current roster who has done anything so stunning as what I saw yesterday from T.O. I can't think of one at the moment.

[offiss]

I have never had a problem with TO, his biggest problem is he attack's and point's out the hypocrisy in the NFL, the NFL doesn't like it when they promote guy's like Ray Lewis and so on and TO comes along and point's out their charactor, he likes to take the show boat's in the NFL and make them look bad, it seem's to me it all started when he scored that TD against Dallas and then ran to midfield and celebrated on the star, HOW DARE HE! :headbange As if that was any worse than having to watch Emmitt rip his helmet off in the end zone after every TD and then have to watch him put the ball in his lock box he kept on the sidelines to save, the NFL loved that, they loved Eving's first down jesture yet when TO stuck it to them all of a sudden it's not acceptable, I have never felt he's a bad guy in fact I think he's a pretty smart person he just doesn't fall in line with the hypocrisy of the NFL and their promotion policies.

And he couldn't have been more right about the Farve comparison as if Farve is a big time warrior on the field, he play's the game like a clown as if it's only there for his personal enjoyment, giving a sack to Strahan, and I didn't hear the NFL jumping all over Favre in the playoff's when he could have made a dive for a first down this past playoff's around the 1 yard line instead he flips the ball into the endzone knowing he was 5 to 7 yard's over the line and then walk's away laughing about it costing his team a possible TD and then the kicker misses the field goal, he should have been fried for that one, and yet we heard almost nothing why is that? Then TO play's almost on a broken leg and is demonized, and they have the nerve to do that after everyone had just crucified John Abraham for saying he wasen't going to play because he worried about his future, TO said forget the future I am a player and he went out and not only played but played outstanding, Kudos to TO!

[offiss]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Posters on The Warpath love to refer to various Redskins' players as "warriors". What Terrell Owens did yesterday in the Super Bowl is definitely "warrior like". That ought to be a measuring stick for any player in the league to be identified as a "warrior" no matter what uniform he is wearing at the time.

I am trying to recall any Redskin player on the current roster who has done anything so stunning as what I saw yesterday from T.O. I can't think of one at the moment.

Daryl Green when he tore his rib cage muscle during the return against the Bear's in the playoff's and still played after that, maybe not quite what as tough as what TO did but defiently honorable mention. Although that's not on the current roster, currently I would have to say Smoot he has played through everything he was out there the last couple of year's when he literaly couldn't pick his arm up I give it to Smoot.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Posters on The Warpath love to refer to various Redskins' players as "warriors". What Terrell Owens did yesterday in the Super Bowl is definitely "warrior like". That ought to be a measuring stick for any player in the league to be identified as a "warrior" no matter what uniform he is wearing at the time.

I am trying to recall any Redskin player on the current roster who has done anything so stunning as what I saw yesterday from T.O. I can't think of one at the moment.

Unfortunately, the current Redskins haven't been in as big a game as TO was in yesterday. I'm sure that several Redskins, had they been in the Super Bowl yesterday, would have played hurt.

Fred Smoot, for example, has played hurt several times

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by offiss

I have never had a problem with TO, his biggest problem is he attack's and point's out the hypocrisy in the NFL, the NFL doesn't like it when they promote guy's like Ray Lewis and so on and TO comes along and point's out their charactor, he likes to take the show boat's in the NFL and make them look bad, it seem's to me it all started when he scored that TD against Dallas and then ran to midfield and celebrated on the star, HOW DARE HE! :headbange As if that was any worse than having to watch Emmitt rip his helmet off in the end zone after every TD and then have to watch him put the ball in his lock box he kept on the sidelines to save, the NFL loved that, they loved Eving's first down jesture yet when TO stuck it to them all of a sudden it's not acceptable, I have never felt he's a bad guy in fact I think he's a pretty smart person he just doesn't fall in line with the hypocrisy of the NFL and their promotion policies.

And he couldn't have been more right about the Farve comparison as if Farve is a big time warrior on the field, he play's the game like a clown as if it's only there for his personal enjoyment, giving a sack to Strahan, and I didn't hear the NFL jumping all over Favre in the playoff's when he could have made a dive for a first down this past playoff's around the 1 yard line instead he flips the ball into the endzone knowing he was 5 to 7 yard's over the line and then walk's away laughing about it costing his team a possible TD and then the kicker misses the field goal, he should have been fried for that one, and yet we heard almost nothing why is that? Then TO play's almost on a broken leg and is demonized, and they have the nerve to do that after everyone had just crucified John Abraham for saying he wasen't going to play because he worried about his future, TO said forget the future I am a player and he went out and not only played but played outstanding, Kudos to TO!

Great post. I love watching Favre play, but you're on point with this post

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by irish

TO is 100% correct. I think TO was treated the way he was partly because he's black and partly because he's a showboat. Favre gets extra credit partly because he's white and partly because he's a nice guy. Favre also get a pass on all his mistakes (and he made a bunch in the playoff loss to Minn) for the same reasons while TO's mistakes are discussed ad nauseum.

I never thought he could play and he ended up being Philly's best WR (which does not say much for the other healthy WRs on Philly) in the SB.

THis has nothing to do with black or white. It has to do with his showboat TO show. TO is a great player but he likes to showboat at every chance he can get. The media assumed this was TO drawing attention to himself as he has done so frequently in the past. If he wants all the hype he shouldn't whin when the media makes this assumption if its fair or not. After watching the game I would have to say he wanted to win and help his team. Farve on the other hand just goes about his business and does not draw the attention to himself. Using Farve as a comparrison for how the media treated him was way off the mark two totaly different personalities.

[Big C]

oh please. dont give me the race shit im tired of it. to is a dumbass. hes an asshole. i dont care if hes white or black or purple. favre is old now, 35 or 36. hes a QB getting pummled by 300 pounders. TO gets pounded by 180 pounders. TO didnt go deep once. he got longer plays because of a bad tackle by a small rookie and cuz of an illegal pick. It was pretty impressive that he could come back, but dont give me this race stuff, just dumb. If TO wasnt a cocky dickhead maybe ppl would respect him more.

[Big C]

oh yeah, and ppl call mcnair the toughest guy cuz he plays through injuries and last time i checked he was black

[FRPLG]

From what I have seen just about everyone is praising his effort...just not a lot since they didn't win. I think it would be different if they has won. And forgice me if I am being naive here but I don't see any of this having to do with race. There may be institutional racism still lurking throughout the league but I really don't think the media cares if a guy is white black or purple as long as he makes a good story. Maybe TO forgot the two weeks everyone spent reporting on him before the superbowl.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Big C

oh yeah, and ppl call mcnair the toughest guy cuz he plays through injuries and last time i checked he was black

Yeah i really don't think race has anything to do with it. Favre is held up like he's a warrior god for whatever reason but I am sure it has nothing to do with the fact that he is white. I think it goes more along the lines of hype. Sorta like how somehow people have this idea that Mike Alstott is the greatest FB ever but is really only average and always has been. He's only considered good because Madden spends entire Bucs games talking about him. Favre is a lot the same way. He's a fantastic QB that has won superbowls so he gets passes on his ginormous mistakes he's made since the media has annoited him. He has always made ridiculous errors. TO is a contorversial character whom the media has little true respect for so therefore nobody cares to write about how great his effort was.

[BrudLee]

It occurs to me that Owens has the reputation he has because he couldn't care less what you or I think of him. His (non-football) actions are those of a man who is beyond self-centered. Every thing he does and utterance he makes has to be viewed through the egomaniacal T.O. prism to make sense.

That being said, what he did yesterday had nothing to do with the glorification of T.O., and everything to do with helping his team win. When the game is being played, he is the best receiver in the game, and one of the best players in the game.

This could be the most memorable athletic achievement in my lifetime. This was Jack Youngblood meets Willis Reed - with the added feature of a very good performance. The Eagles lost, and I'm glad, but T.O. did more to keep them in that game than McNabb and Westbrook combined - and he did so at great jeopardy to his career. I think Curmudgeon has set the bar a little high if he wants his "warriors" to equal this feat.

[jbcjr14]

TO, hate em, but you gotta respect his will and desire to play the game.

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by offiss

Daryl Green when he tore his rib cage muscle during the return against the Bear's in the playoff's and still played after that, maybe not quite what as tough as what TO did but defiently honorable mention.

I was thinking the exact same thing Offiss. That punt return remains the greatest Redskin play I've ever seen.

No offense to:
- Riggins run against Miami
- Manley's sack against White
- Green chasing down Dorsett
- Green chasing down Dickerson (not mentioned much, but more impressive than the Dorsett play IMO)
- Green batting the ball away against Det
- Orr's fumble recovery