Campbell's numbers dont lie

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Buster

Someone said JC is doing the "Brunell dink-and dunk" and claimed he doesn't go downfield, so I posted his long completions for each week. Standard stat, I thought!

Don't worry, it wasn't too difficult to understand.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I want to go out on a limb here and say that Campbell isn't a flawed QB, it's just that i think he lacks the mental side of the game. Campbell's college coach put it the best when he said earlier this year that the hardest battle they fought in Auburn was getting him to believe in himself. He thinks Jason plays scared.

I see all of these things. The NFL is full of QBs who aren't superstars individually, but can do good things with the team. I think of Jeff Garcia, who didnt' have a strong arm, nor was he big physically, but he could always find a way to win and keep a drive alive...

Campbell now reminds me of Brunell in 2006. He isn't quite stinking it up, but he's not doing anything to try and win the game either....

I didn't know this. In hindsight, I think that was very important to note. An athlete won't be able to succeed for very long, if you have to battle to convince him to believe in himself.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I want to go out on a limb here and say that Campbell isn't a flawed QB, it's just that i think he lacks the mental side of the game. Campbell's college coach put it the best when he said earlier this year that the hardest battle they fought in Auburn was getting him to believe in himself. He thinks Jason plays scared.

I see all of these things. The NFL is full of QBs who aren't superstars individually, but can do good things with the team. I think of Jeff Garcia, who didnt' have a strong arm, nor was he big physically, but he could always find a way to win and keep a drive alive...

Campbell now reminds me of Brunell in 2006. He isn't quite stinking it up, but he's not doing anything to try and win the game either....

One or two other people have also brought up that comparison and I actually think it is a good one. By the numbers (if we must) ...

Brunell 2006:
Through 9 weeks
TOTAL: 162/260 (62.3%), 1,789 yds, 8 TD, 4 INT, 86.5 rating, 92 rush yds

Campbell:
Through 7 weeks
TOTAL: 136/206 (66.0%), 1,481 yds, 8 TD, 7 INT, 85.8 rating, 103 rush yds

The obvious answer is that in 2006 we had a first round QB on the bench and needed to get him in the game, in 2009 we do not have that option. Brunell was also 35 years old. Fair enough. Brunell was also more successful in his career than Campbell ever will be, unfortunately.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

I'm a JC believer and I agree with what you said but not everyone the believes in him or supports him is in denial that he needs to work on things. JC is timid to throw into tight windows that is correct I agree 100% and some of that is that he doesn't trust his receivers. I've watched JC from his college days until now I'm a huge SEC fan period and I know what the fellow can do. All I said is part of his problem is previous coaching hammering him with "Don't Lose The Game" mentality has hurt him now he doesn't take risk as much. I just found out that we don't have audibles in our offense so if the defense in a certain coverage he can't audibles into other plays. Peyton is so successful because he actually changes plays at the line to move down field. If the blitz is coming but a playaction pass is called truth be told he is probably going to take that sack or call a timeout. So he's limited in certain areas more than other QB's that's not his fault, but he is not playing well at all and has happy feet but it comes from him not trusting his line and receivers.

This probably is all true, but when do you hold him accountable for his own actions and the mistakes that was under his control?

[SolidSnake84]

If i could post new threads, i would post the article where they talk to Al Borges about JC. It was on NFL.com...

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

If i could post new threads, i would post the article where they talk to Al Borges about JC. It was on NFL.com...

a very good lesson here, if you look back a few pages OR do a search for Borges. You would see that link has already been posted in THIS VERY THREAD

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post615466

[SolidSnake84]

Good Call...i am new to the site...i am a transplant from the great extremeskins purge of 2009...i've noticed that many members have joined here from there in the last couple of days...i recognize the screen names...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Good Call...i am new to the site...i am a transplant from the great extremeskins purge of 2009...i've noticed that many members have joined here from there in the last couple of days...i recognize the screen names...

A purge eh? What happened?

[Hog1]

The WP is like the Pitcairn Island of the Skins, board world?

[SolidSnake84]

They just started getting ridiculous with the permanent bans. I myself got banned for life last night. They gave no reason. I suspected that some of my posts were unpopular with the moderators. I had been there since 2005 with no incidents whatsoever, and then last night got permanently banned. No lie, within the past month, i know of at least 50 people who have been banned for life. I saw 5 or 6 of them on here today.

The board over there is a mess...one guy named "Jumbo", apparantly launched into a racial tirade last night....they even called in about it today on 106.7 The Fan.....its just a couple bad mods ruined it for everyone...

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Campbell now reminds me of Brunell in 2006. He isn't quite stinking it up, but he's not doing anything to try and win the game either....

Brunell's problem was that his arm strength was gone and he knew he couldn't make the plays he used to.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

They just started getting ridiculous with the permanent bans. I myself got banned for life last night. They gave no reason. I suspected that some of my posts were unpopular with the moderators. I had been there since 2005 with no incidents whatsoever, and then last night got permanently banned. No lie, within the past month, i know of at least 50 people who have been banned for life. I saw 5 or 6 of them on here today.

The board over there is a mess...one guy named "Jumbo", apparantly launched into a racial tirade last night....they even called in about it today on 106.7 The Fan.....its just a couple bad mods ruined it for everyone...

Welcome to the best Skins board in existence then. You'll enjoy it here, a lot of us actually use our brains.

I bet Vinny Cerrato threatened the ES mods to tighten things up.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Buster

Welcome to the best Skins board in existence then. You'll enjoy it here, a lot of us actually use our brains.

I bet Vinny Cerrato threatened the ES mods to tighten things up.

Thanks, Man.

I seriously wish someone would start a thread off-topic somewhere where all of us old ex Extremeskins members could re-unite and stuff.

It's just plain crazy over there...like seriously no other message board among the NFL could be that bad. I can't believe they let the moderators over there do what they are doing. The mods got all angry because they were accused of censoring on the SportsJunkies show, banned all people that voiced the opinion that they were, and were calling people names.

I asked last night in allegation of the censorship charges, did anyone regret officially merging with the team back in 2005, now in hindsight...."Jumbo" one of the mods told me i was too stupid to post here and warned others who agreed with me that they too would be "cut from the herd".

Good stuff though, as this helps WP's ranks grow. Ironically, after i was banned, somebody started a thread called "F Dan Snyder"...the thread was closed, and the person lifetime banned.....go figure

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Brunell's problem was that his arm strength was gone and he knew he couldn't make the plays he used to.

Brunell's problem was that his defense was trash and he had a first round prospect breathing down his neck. No one really thought of him as anything more than a caretaker anyway.

Campbell's issue appears to be that he's been handed a "now or never" scenario, and then given a team with no chance to win now. It's pretty obvious that Campbell is not the right quarterback for this team. Campbell's defense is not trash, it's giving him plenty of chances to win games, but the expectation from the front office is that Campbell leads an offensive resurgence that scores lots of points.

You're getting a lot of fumbles and interceptions and careless play from Campbell that seem to just be a result of the situation. Erratic quarterback play is not what this team requires right now, but the front office pretty much got what they asked for.

[GTripp0012]

BTW, there's a lot of interest in Campbell around the league right now, specifically from franchises out west. I would not be surprised if Matt Hasselbeck was the quarterback here next year.

Just saying.