Campbell's numbers dont lie

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Buster

Hooked on Phonics would work for you.

Yahooooooooooooooooo

Jason Campbell - Washington Redskins - Game Log - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Oh, I see. I thought you meant number of long passes.

Either way I would suspect that more often than not he misses on those deep throws, though I know it's not always his fault

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

It seems to me when we all watch the game we see the same thing, JC struggling, the Oline struggling, the receivers struggling, etc.

It all starts with the OL.
If the OL is struggling and the receivers are stuggling how can you garner an accurate judgement about the QB?
Outside of the stats?

If the OL struggles and the receivers struggle a judgment on the QB is a non sequitur

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by 30gut

It all starts with the OL.
If the OL is struggling and the receivers are stuggling how can you garner an accurate judgement about the QB?
Outside of the stats?

If the OL struggles and the receivers struggle a judgment on the QB is a non sequitur

I asked myself that same question. I hear Rodgers name a lot and how he has a horrible o-line but truth is his receivers are probably the best WR tandem in the NFL up there with the Cards. How many one-handed spectular catches do they have this year alone? Plus, his pass protection sucks not his pass and run blocking protection we can't run or pass Grant averages 1,000 per season last time I checked. Face it we don't have anything going for us at all no OL play, WR play, RB play or QB play but they all go hand and hand.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Buster

Campbell long passes:
Wk 1 = 35
Wk 2 = 25
Wk 3 = 57
Wk 4 = 59
Wk 5 = 23
Wk 6 = 25
Wk 7 = 24

Looks like he's going downfield to me. Keep in mind, his protection does not even allot him enough time to let the routes get downfield...hence 20 sacks in 7 games despite his mobility.

I'm also tired of the argument that a comeback attempt is automatically labeled "garbage time" and the stats should be thrown out. If not for the Rabach snap, we could have been down by 3 and who knows, something could have allowed us to win the game. Would you still dismiss the comeback as "garbage"?

How you can put everything on the QB that's playing without anything resembling a pro offensive line is beyond me. Does he make mistakes on his own? Sure he does. Every QB does. The point of me updating the stats of the 3 QBs is not to prove that Campbell is the next Unitas or Tarkenton, but to show that we'd be no better off with Cutler or Sanchez, a point I was making during all of the rumors in the offseason.

I have no response for anyone who wants to see Collins play. We did see him play for a half against a horrible team and it was a disaster. Collins is old, can not move in the pocket, has a very weak arm and has far less snaps in this offensive scheme than Campbell. Collins only stayed in the league because he was an expert at Al Saunders' offense after a decade in it. Well, we're not running that offense, so Collins is essentially useless to us. I felt we should have let him go and kept both Brennan and Daniel. That may have happened if Colt hadn't laid a rotten egg in his chance to win the #2 spot.

In my opinion, the purpose of this thread was a discussion of stats in relation to how campbell is playing. If the stats are saying that Campbell is playing well, then I think the numbers are lying - especially the last game with the eagles.

When you analyze campbell's play, I think you look at the plays that was under his control or had opportunities to make plays. If you think that it was the offensive linemen's fault or a wide receiver's fault for a play breaking down, then fine, throw those away and look at the others. I think if you do it this way, it is more of a fair accessment of how Campbell has played. I won't hide that the fact that I am very opinionated, but I feel I tell it how it is. And to me, just analyzing his play and only his play alone - I think he is playing terrible. Missed touchdowns/big plays, turnovers, terrible pocket presence. These are probably the big three that he HIMSELF contributed to the redskins losing (remember just analyzing what he had a fair amount of control over).

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

And you guys cant get all over Sanchez, ITS HIS 1st YR IN THE SYSTEM. --this excuse was brought to you by JC supporters everywhere--

Name another 1st round QB who has been with a team for 5 yrs and has yet to make the playoffs. thats still in the league. I cant think of any right off hand.

thank you

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Buster

Hooked on Phonics would work for you.

Yahooooooooooooooooo

Jason Campbell - Washington Redskins - Game Log - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Long = Yardage, not number of "long" passes. Didn't have your coffee yet today?

just how angry do you get on here... i'll take average or long rating out of 10

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

And you guys cant get all over Sanchez, ITS HIS 1st YR IN THE SYSTEM. --this excuse was brought to you by JC supporters everywhere--

Name another 1st round QB who has been with a team for 5 yrs and has yet to make the playoffs. thats still in the league. I cant think of any right off hand.

Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers. The other two first round QBs from 2005. I say that not in defense of Campbell, I think if you are still defending his play then you don't know what you are looking at during the games, but merely to answer your question.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by 30gut

It all starts with the OL.
If the OL is struggling and the receivers are stuggling how can you garner an accurate judgement about the QB?
Outside of the stats?

If the OL struggles and the receivers struggle a judgment on the QB is a non sequitur

Like I stated in the rant, EVEN when he has time he still makes the same mistakes. Outside of the stats, I watch the game and my eyes dont deceive me, he is sloppy with the ball and his decisions. I dont see progression...Big Ben, A.Rodgers have bad Olines, they still make plays when they do get protection. Also something have is the ability to lead...please JC cant lead or manage sh*t. Big Ben two superbowl rings, A Rodgers replaces a freakin legend, gains the support of team and fans, and puts an average team in a position to win a game every weekend. JC is not a rookie anymore, he has been here awhile.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

just how angry do you get on here... i'll take average or long rating out of 10

Great question - oughta be a thread/poll in and of itself!!!

For me, I can have a real spike up to 9 or 10 when I read what I consider an idiotic post. It usually levels off at around a 3

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Buster

Hooked on Phonics would work for you.

Yahooooooooooooooooo

Jason Campbell - Washington Redskins - Game Log - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Long = Yardage, not number of "long" passes. Didn't have your coffee yet today?

Don't drink coffee

Sorry to get you all riled up during your quest. Campbell long passes: Week 3=57 looked like number of long passes to me

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Don't drink coffee

Sorry to get you all riled up during your quest. Campbell long passes: Week 3=57 looked like number of long passes to me

Don't worry about it, I didn't get it at first either.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Like I stated in the rant, EVEN when he has time he still makes the same mistakes. Outside of the stats, I watch the game and my eyes dont deceive me, he is sloppy with the ball and his decisions. I dont see progression...Big Ben, A.Rodgers have bad Olines, they still make plays when they do get protection. Also something have is the ability to lead...please JC cant lead or manage sh*t. Big Ben two superbowl rings, A Rodgers replaces a freakin legend, gains the support of team and fans, and puts an average team in a position to win a game every weekend. JC is not a rookie anymore, he has been here awhile.

Chico ever QB makes those same mistakes when they don't have time.
JC has made plays when he has time you exaggerting to try and make a point.
Ben Rothlisberger's OL is not anywhere near as bad as our OL.
Ben would be the 1st to tell you that he creates many of sacks trying to make a play downfield.
Ben's sacks don't come on 3 step drops, Ben's sacks come after he's already held the ball for 3 seconds and starts to scramble around trying to make a play.
(Nothing against Ben because he made big plays down the strecth his stats weren't much better then JC last year, and many of the games their defense won not Ben)
*BTW-Ben's 1st superbowl was won despite his horrible performance in the SB not because Ben played well.

Aaron Rodgers was groomed by a great coaching staff and has great playcalling, he got to watch behind Brett Favre and inherited a team loaded with talent both on the OL and at the skill positions.
True his OL is a little banged up this year but those guys are young draft picks that were waiting to play and their OL play has improved.

JC does make plays when he has protection, but he's had so little protection this year that its caused him not to trust his OL and he's started the last 2 games with happy feet.

The playcalling issues haven't exactly helped him out either.

And even if Ben and Rodgers do have OL as bad as ours, which they don't, does it makes sense to plan around for exception rather then the rule?

You can downplay the OL all you want but its impossible to make a proper assessment under these circumstances.
And when you consider the circumstances JC is doing as best he can.

Look at these issues:
1) Coaching/playcalling
2) support from the FO
3) OL
4) Receivers as a group
5)Running game

You tell me what QB other then JC is dealing has all of the same problems as JC and is still performing at a decent level?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

I asked myself that same question. I hear Rodgers name a lot and how he has a horrible o-line but truth is his receivers are probably the best WR tandem in the NFL up there with the Cards. How many one-handed spectular catches do they have this year alone? Plus, his pass protection sucks not his pass and run blocking protection we can't run or pass Grant averages 1,000 per season last time I checked. Face it we don't have anything going for us at all no OL play, WR play, RB play or QB play but they all go hand and hand.

Aaron Rodgers OL 'sucking' is a bit overblown.
Even during the game against the Vikes i recall Jaws saying how he caused some of those sacks, although i didn't agree with him.
I didn't want to go into the details but Aaron Rodgers has only had 2 changes to his starting OL.
And part of the reason we don't have more sacks is because the playcalling is centered around not getting JC killed.

LT-Lang a rookie 4th round draft pick
comes in for opening day starter C.Clifton
C-Wells who veteran Center who started 13 games for the Pack last year
takes the place of opening day starter Spitz

HTTR!

*(I have a long post on Ben's supposed 'sorry' OL but it would make for a long post.)

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Oh, I see. I thought you meant number of long passes.

Either way I would suspect that more often than not he misses on those deep throws, though I know it's not always his fault

Yeah, I picked up what you picked up on, figured he meant "longest in each game." Which in reality JC probably only had 1 long pass that connected and the rest were either over throws or throw aways. So it's nice to see that he can get the ball down field, but he has to be able to do it more then once a game.

[SBXVII]

Although O-line is a glaring need. How much time do other QB's get in order to get the ball off? I'll agree with you guys that the O-line needs to be upgraded and needs to learn how to block as a team, otherwise the run game will be stifled.

I did see some jail breaks in the Eagles game, but other then that JC gets around 3-7 seconds to get rid of the ball on his pass plays. I think most QB's get 3-7 seconds to get the ball off. I keep hearing about how JC does not get enough time and wonder if this statement is BS. I think the team needs to design plays that develope quicker and JC needs to be more accurate in his throws, as well as hitting the receiver in stride and not behind them. Also stop being scared to throw the ball when a defender is close.