Campbell's numbers dont lie

tryfuhl · 10-27-2009, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Green1

McNabb left the same play on the field and he has been in the same offense for years. 6 sacks, no running still, and ARE turnover but JC is to blame.

It happens man, every QB does this some, but it's worth pointing out with Campbell because it's so frequent and often to the younger guys.

warriorzpath · 10-27-2009, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Green1

No running game. The Entire Oline needs replacing. So what is the answer T. Collins don't make me laugh

The answer for the redskins is definitely not JC. You don't have to listen to me, listen to virtually every analyst on TV. You guys that defend Campbell's play this season make ME laugh.

warriorzpath · 10-27-2009, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Steve Young was trying to blame the tip at the line INT on Campbell. Unfortunately, he couldn't think of a word long enough to defend that position.

No offense (well, maybe just a little) - but I would go with Steve Young over you for qb analysis any day.

GTripp0012 · 10-27-2009, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by warriorzpath

No offense (well, maybe just a little) - but I would go with Steve Young over you for qb analysis any day.

None taken.

I'd go with Matt Millen over you.

warriorzpath · 10-27-2009, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by gtripp0012

none taken.

I'd go with matt millen over you.

lol!

Trample the Elderly · 10-27-2009, 02:13 AM

I told you. He is done. They're all done. I'm looking forward to seeing Vinny go. If he doesn't hit the bricks I . . . . . Actually, I don't think I'd give a damn. Yup, I don't think I'd really care. These schmucks haven't earned
anything from me. How about those Saints!

Green1 · 10-27-2009, 02:20 AM

You guys are funny. Look at the league, ever successful QB, except Flacco and Ryan have been in the same Offensive system for long periods of time. Changing everything every year has not worked yet nor will it ever. The longer the QB is in the same system the more successful he is...look it up.

Trample the Elderly · 10-27-2009, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Green1

You guys are funny. Look at the league, ever successful QB, except Flacco and Ryan have been in the same Offensive system for long periods of time. Changing everything every year has not worked yet nor will it ever. The longer the QB is in the same system the more successful he is...look it up.

No, we're not funny. That BS football game was funny. It was a riot.

Ruhskins · 10-27-2009, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Green1

You guys are funny. Look at the league, ever successful QB, except Flacco and Ryan have been in the same Offensive system for long periods of time. Changing everything every year has not worked yet nor will it ever. The longer the QB is in the same system the more successful he is...look it up.

Well our coach will most likely change, so there goes continuity. New coach will mean new QB.

tryfuhl · 10-27-2009, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Green1

You guys are funny. Look at the league, ever successful QB, except Flacco and Ryan have been in the same Offensive system for long periods of time. Changing everything every year has not worked yet nor will it ever. The longer the QB is in the same system the more successful he is...look it up.

you're leaving a couple names off of some players having good years less than 3 years in the system

orton, schaub, henne is showing promise but too early to call it,

Green1 · 10-27-2009, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well our coach will most likely change, so there goes continuity. New coach will mean new QB.

New QB means at least two more years of losing. New QB + learning a new Offense + bad O-Line = New Coach which brings us to our current position again.

warriorzpath · 10-27-2009, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by tryfuhl

you're leaving a couple names off of some players having good years less than 3 years in the system

orton, schaub, henne is showing promise but too early to call it,

Yup, Brady and Roethlisberger also come to mind (in their 1st couple of years).

skins89moss · 10-27-2009, 05:03 AM

I was a JC supporter all the way this season but he has regressed this year. I know his line sucks but he is not the leader you need at the QB position. JC is to laid back and just does not have that take charge approach we need for the offense. Give me a leader at QB that can get in the players ass when they fuk up a play. Our coach even is to soft , we need Gruden to get this team to have a attitude.

Monkeydad · 10-27-2009, 10:48 AM

UPDATED stats/assessment...yep, another week!

Cutler:
WK 7 - 26/37 (70.3%), 251 yds, 1 TD, 3 INT, 70.3 rating, 4 rush yds, 0 hot dogs eaten
TOTAL: 136/209 (65.1%), 1,452 yds, 11 TD, 10 INT, 82.9 rating, 60 rush yds, 0 hot dogs eaten

Sanchez:
WK 7 - 9/15 (60.0%), 143 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT, 114.0 rating, 4 rush yds, 1 hot dog eaten
TOTAL: 91/178 (52.8%), 1,178 yds, 6 TD, 10 INT, 61.5 rating, 54 rush yds, 1 hot dog eaten

Campbell:
WK 7 - 29/43 (67.4%), 284 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 91.6 rating, 8 rush yds, 0 hot dogs eaten
TOTAL: 136/206 (66.0%), 1,481 yds, 8 TD, 7 INT, 85.8 rating, 103 rush yds, 0 hot dogs eaten

Ranks:
Comp. % = Campbell, Cutler, Sanchez
Yds = Campbell (1,481) Cutler (1,452) Campbell (1,197), Sanchez (1,178)
TDs = Cutler (11), Campbell (8), Sanchez (6)
INTs (fewest) = Campbell (7), Sanchez (10) Cutler (11)
QB rating = Campbell (85.8), Cutler (82.9), Sanchez (61.5)
Rush yds = Campbell (103), Cutler (60), Sanchez(54)

Week 7 Campbell overview:
He literally had no time to throw, was getting pounded all night. Yes he made some mistakes, forced by the pressure but let's examine those mistakes. There were 3 turnovers:

*The INT returned for a TD: On this play, Campbell took a 3-step drop and had defenders and their hands in his face...it was a designed quick slant play with no time to change his mind. 3 steps back and fire. This is a pass that should have been possible with such a quick drop, but the pushback of the line, along with the inability of our offensive line to keep the defenders hands down on such a basic play, doomed the pass. It was batted and picked due to the lack of any blocking by the line. Yes, Campbell threw the pass, no he did not throw a bad pass.

*The fumble on a scramble: Campbell gets the blame for not securing the ball or sliding. He's made some huge runs when plays break down over his career, but with this O-line, he's running for his life on every play. With a competent line, he wouldn't have to scramble and try to avoid sacks all night. He was sacked 6 times, but stepped out of and avoided many more. If Collins or a less mobile QB were in, the Eagles would have reached double-digit sacks. The one play that really impressed me was in the second half when Campbell ducked under a defender that was dropping back literally in step with him...immediately after the snap. Campbell avoided and escaped the defender and found a wide open Devin Thomas, who also made a nice run after the catch to pick up a long first down.

*The fumble on a snap: Rabach is a horrible center, it is as simple as that. He cost us TDs in the past with stupid penalties and mistakes and he hasn't stopped. I noticed all night when we were in the shotgun, which was refreshing to see after watching Zorn under-utilize this formation, Rabach's snaps were usually off. This snap was particularly bad and wide. It's tough to blame Campbell too much as we watched Rabach's play all night. Later in the game, we had the ball on 4th and goal. Shotgun formation was called, but Rabach snapped the ball as if Campbell was under center. Since it was 4th down, even if we fell on the ball, it's a turnover on downs. The worst part about that play, Devin Thomas was wide open, uncovered in the corner of the endzone. All Rabach had to do was get the ball in JC's hands and it was a TD. We would have been able to cut the score to 3 POINTS!

For the night, Campbell finished with 284 yards and 2 TDs, which should have easily been 3 as I just explained. He finished with nearly double the yards as McNabb despite the lack of ANY protection all night and losing his favorite target in Chris Cooley to a broken ankle/foot. You may call the very successful 4th-quarter drives "garbage time", but I disagree. He showed leadership and if not for Rabach, would have brought the Skins back to within 3 points. That's not called "garbage time", that's called a comeback. Philly was still playing their starters, even McNabb despite the pressure and hits our defense was getting on him, this was still a competitive game.

I was very impressed by Sherman Lewis and his playcalling. The Redskins moved the ball very well with him calling the shots. Of course we won't be racking up rushing yards with this O-line, but we moved the ball better than any game so far this season and nearly scored 3 offensive TDs, plus a short FG that could have been a 4th TD if we were not playing semi-conservatively under Lewis' first game called. This gives me evidence that Campbell can excel for this team with some protection and a playcaller not named Jim Zorn. Campbell had some mistakes. Any QB would be forced into mistakes with zero protection against an aggressive blitzing defense all night. He turned many broken plays into positive plays however and showed he can take even this broken offense down the field. I am pleased to say that for the first time this season, I was not embarrassed by the team's performance overall. Sure, a few boneheaded plays by Rabach and Randel El made me wonder what was happening, but the offense was dramatically improved under Lewis' leadership and the defense played incredibly except for 2 long plays by DeSean Jackson, but let's face it, that kid is a player you just hope to contain....he can't be shut down with his blazing speed.

Cutler racked up some nice yardage but threw 3 INTs. Sanchez was not used (or trusted?) against the Raiders, as the Jets racked up 300 rushing yards. He does lead the league in hot dogs eaten on the sideline though.

Campbell now leads the 3 QBs in EVERY category except for TDs thrown, but he also has the fewest INTs.

tryfuhl · 10-27-2009, 10:50 AM

Campbell saw the guy coming, but batted passes do happen. If I recall correctly Moss didn't even have a shot at the ball either had it gotten through.

I know why you're comparing him to Sanchez, but it's an unfair comparison to Sanchez.. Cutler doesn't have a lot to work with either but that's his fault for being a baby.

10-27-2009, 02:13 AM	#846
Trample the Elderly Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Three Chopt Virginia Age: 47 Posts: 2,906	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie I told you. He is done. They're all done. I'm looking forward to seeing Vinny go. If he doesn't hit the bricks I . . . . . Actually, I don't think I'd give a damn. Yup, I don't think I'd really care. These schmucks haven't earned anything from me. How about those Saints! __________________ A funny thing happened on the way to the temple. The moneychangers bought the priesthood.

10-27-2009, 02:20 AM	#847
Green1 Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 121	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie You guys are funny. Look at the league, ever successful QB, except Flacco and Ryan have been in the same Offensive system for long periods of time. Changing everything every year has not worked yet nor will it ever. The longer the QB is in the same system the more successful he is...look it up.

10-27-2009, 05:03 AM	#853
skins89moss Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 3,634	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie I was a JC supporter all the way this season but he has regressed this year. I know his line sucks but he is not the leader you need at the QB position. JC is to laid back and just does not have that take charge approach we need for the offense. Give me a leader at QB that can get in the players ass when they fuk up a play. Our coach even is to soft , we need Gruden to get this team to have a attitude. __________________ www.islandstyleflowers.com Home of the Hawaiian Foam Flowers and Kukui Nut Leis. Great selections and best prices. Redskins Fan Since 1972

10-27-2009, 10:48 AM	#854
Monkeydad Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Age: 45 Posts: 17,460	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie UPDATED stats/assessment...yep, another week! Cutler: WK 7 - 26/37 (70.3%), 251 yds, 1 TD, 3 INT, 70.3 rating, 4 rush yds, 0 hot dogs eaten TOTAL: 136/209 (65.1%), 1,452 yds, 11 TD, 10 INT, 82.9 rating, 60 rush yds, 0 hot dogs eaten Sanchez: WK 7 - 9/15 (60.0%), 143 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT, 114.0 rating, 4 rush yds, 1 hot dog eaten TOTAL: 91/178 (52.8%), 1,178 yds, 6 TD, 10 INT, 61.5 rating, 54 rush yds, 1 hot dog eaten Campbell: WK 7 - 29/43 (67.4%), 284 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 91.6 rating, 8 rush yds, 0 hot dogs eaten TOTAL: 136/206 (66.0%), 1,481 yds, 8 TD, 7 INT, 85.8 rating, 103 rush yds, 0 hot dogs eaten Ranks: Comp. % = Campbell, Cutler, Sanchez Yds = Campbell (1,481) Cutler (1,452) Campbell (1,197), Sanchez (1,178) TDs = Cutler (11), Campbell (8), Sanchez (6) INTs (fewest) = Campbell (7), Sanchez (10) Cutler (11) QB rating = Campbell (85.8), Cutler (82.9), Sanchez (61.5) Rush yds = Campbell (103), Cutler (60), Sanchez(54) Week 7 Campbell overview: He literally had no time to throw, was getting pounded all night. Yes he made some mistakes, forced by the pressure but let's examine those mistakes. There were 3 turnovers: The INT returned for a TD: On this play, Campbell took a 3-step drop and had defenders and their hands in his face...it was a designed quick slant play with no time to change his mind. 3 steps back and fire. This is a pass that should have been possible with such a quick drop, but the pushback of the line, along with the inability of our offensive line to keep the defenders hands down on such a basic play, doomed the pass. It was batted and picked due to the lack of any blocking by the line. Yes, Campbell threw the pass, no he did not throw a bad pass. The fumble on a scramble: Campbell gets the blame for not securing the ball or sliding. He's made some huge runs when plays break down over his career, but with this O-line, he's running for his life on every play. With a competent line, he wouldn't have to scramble and try to avoid sacks all night. He was sacked 6 times, but stepped out of and avoided many more. If Collins or a less mobile QB were in, the Eagles would have reached double-digit sacks. The one play that really impressed me was in the second half when Campbell ducked under a defender that was dropping back literally in step with him...immediately after the snap. Campbell avoided and escaped the defender and found a wide open Devin Thomas, who also made a nice run after the catch to pick up a long first down. *The fumble on a snap: Rabach is a horrible center, it is as simple as that. He cost us TDs in the past with stupid penalties and mistakes and he hasn't stopped. I noticed all night when we were in the shotgun, which was refreshing to see after watching Zorn under-utilize this formation, Rabach's snaps were usually off. This snap was particularly bad and wide. It's tough to blame Campbell too much as we watched Rabach's play all night. Later in the game, we had the ball on 4th and goal. Shotgun formation was called, but Rabach snapped the ball as if Campbell was under center. Since it was 4th down, even if we fell on the ball, it's a turnover on downs. The worst part about that play, Devin Thomas was wide open, uncovered in the corner of the endzone. All Rabach had to do was get the ball in JC's hands and it was a TD. We would have been able to cut the score to 3 POINTS! For the night, Campbell finished with 284 yards and 2 TDs, which should have easily been 3 as I just explained. He finished with nearly double the yards as McNabb despite the lack of ANY protection all night and losing his favorite target in Chris Cooley to a broken ankle/foot. You may call the very successful 4th-quarter drives "garbage time", but I disagree. He showed leadership and if not for Rabach, would have brought the Skins back to within 3 points. That's not called "garbage time", that's called a comeback. Philly was still playing their starters, even McNabb despite the pressure and hits our defense was getting on him, this was still a competitive game. I was very impressed by Sherman Lewis and his playcalling. The Redskins moved the ball very well with him calling the shots. Of course we won't be racking up rushing yards with this O-line, but we moved the ball better than any game so far this season and nearly scored 3 offensive TDs, plus a short FG that could have been a 4th TD if we were not playing semi-conservatively under Lewis' first game called. This gives me evidence that Campbell can excel for this team with some protection and a playcaller not named Jim Zorn. Campbell had some mistakes. Any QB would be forced into mistakes with zero protection against an aggressive blitzing defense all night. He turned many broken plays into positive plays however and showed he can take even this broken offense down the field. I am pleased to say that for the first time this season, I was not embarrassed by the team's performance overall. Sure, a few boneheaded plays by Rabach and Randel El made me wonder what was happening, but the offense was dramatically improved under Lewis' leadership and the defense played incredibly except for 2 long plays by DeSean Jackson, but let's face it, that kid is a player you just hope to contain....he can't be shut down with his blazing speed. Cutler racked up some nice yardage but threw 3 INTs. Sanchez was not used (or trusted?) against the Raiders, as the Jets racked up 300 rushing yards. He does lead the league in hot dogs eaten on the sideline though. Campbell now leads the 3 QBs in EVERY category except for TDs thrown, but he also has the fewest INTs. __________________ Not sent from a Droid, iPhone, Blackberry or toaster

10-27-2009, 10:50 AM	#855
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Age: 41 Posts: 12,514	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie Campbell saw the guy coming, but batted passes do happen. If I recall correctly Moss didn't even have a shot at the ball either had it gotten through. I know why you're comparing him to Sanchez, but it's an unfair comparison to Sanchez.. Cutler doesn't have a lot to work with either but that's his fault for being a baby.

Campbell's numbers dont lie

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