Do you expect Zorn to be fired

Beemnseven · 10-12-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Miller101

Come on dude. He's head and shoulders better than Zorn. He's been coaching offensive lines for over ten years. And been an assistant head coach for.....................6 years or so. Unlike Zorn, all of this has been at the pro level. And look what he did to the Steelers offensive line when he was there. He had those guys playing smash mouth ball better than anyone in the league. He goes to Arizona, who had a horrendous line, and turns them around into one of the better lines in the league. Warner got killed in St. Louis, but he has time to throw in Arizona. You know why? Because of Russ baby! Bring in Russ!

How do you know this? He is just as unproven as a head coach as Jim Zorn was when he was hired. Those lines in Pittsburgh and Arizona weren't scouted, drafted and built by Grimm either.

NCCU1984 · 10-12-2009, 12:24 PM

I know one thing, those 3 (2nd round picks) we used for receivers, should have been used on 3 quality Offensive linemen. That way our line would be better. You build a good team from the inside out, not the way we are doing it. We could have survived a few more years with Moss and ARE. Time for the other receiver to see the field. This offense does not even through past 15 yards. No wonder they cannot score more than 20 points.

hail_2_da_skins · 10-12-2009, 12:29 PM

Mutiny on FedEx Field!!!

I say make all of the culprits walk the plank! Feed them all to the sharks!

Start with management; Dan Snyder, Vinnie Cerratto, Jim Zorn, Greg Blache, Sherman Smith, Stan Hixon and then the players; Jason Campbell, Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, Phillip Daniels, Cornelius Griffin, Stephon Heyer, Malcolm Kelly, LaRon Landry, Antwaan Randle El, Carlos Rogers, Chris Samuels, Mike Sellers, Fred Smoot, Devin Thomas, Mike Williams and Fred Davis.

Fire them all!

JLee9718 · 10-12-2009, 12:34 PM

All those draft choices we gave up for players who aren't even with us now. Snyder wasn't crazy for hiring Zorn, but Zorn was crazy for taking the job. doesn't Snyder see that Vinny has caused multiple problems for this team? I agree that Vinny must go! What would the 'Skins do if they fired Zorn? He's already under the bus for players who don't even deserve to be in the NFL.

Hog1 · 10-12-2009, 01:13 PM

Firing JZ is NOT the answer. To do that and hire another coach by the same people that hired Zorn in the first place just invites more of the same.
And BTW, it ain't Zorn's fault. He was put in a position by VC, and Dan that is more than he is equipped..."today" to deal with. It should be fairly apparent by now neither Dan, or Vinnie were qualified to do so.
What we DO need to do is hire a "Hot shoe" GM and dump it ALL on him. That is what they do. He would have plenty of time to evaluate what we have, and what we need...coaches, players, scouts, etc. There is also time to see what coaches are available, as there appears to be numerous candidates.
AND DANfinger (see Bond, James Bond...circa 1960ish) can have VC carry his clubs, and maybe he can get on of those cool steal lined hats, like that Asian guy and...well you get the idea........HTTR

SmootSmack · 10-12-2009, 01:18 PM

There are some things that are Zorn's fault though. Case in point...calling timeout on 4th down and justifying it by saying "well we weren't sure where they were going to spot it. Would it be 4th and 2, 4th and 5, 4th and 7." That's weak. Even if the spot is questionable, it's never a matter of 5 yards. That's ridiculous

Trample the Elderly · 10-12-2009, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

Mutiny on FedEx Field!!!

I say make all of the culprits walk the plank! Feed them all to the sharks!

Start with management; Dan Snyder, Vinnie Cerratto, Jim Zorn, Greg Blache, Sherman Smith, Stan Hixon and then the players; Jason Campbell, Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, Phillip Daniels, Cornelius Griffin, Stephon Heyer, Malcolm Kelly, LaRon Landry, Antwaan Randle El, Carlos Rogers, Chris Samuels, Mike Sellers, Fred Smoot, Devin Thomas, Mike Williams and Fred Davis.

Fire them all!

Welcome to the Mutiny. See chairman RuhSkins for your marching orders. Oh yeah, this is chaos. Just do what you feel.

GTripp0012 · 10-12-2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

There are some things that are Zorn's fault though. Case in point...calling timeout on 4th down and justifying it by saying "well we weren't sure where they were going to spot it. Would it be 4th and 2, 4th and 5, 4th and 7." That's weak. Even if the spot is questionable, it's never a matter of 5 yards. That's ridiculous

I thought the slant to Moss was a great call though, but Campbell tried to throw while moving his front foot laterally. Just stand up and throw it.

CultBrennan59 · 10-12-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I thought the slant to Moss was a great call though, but Campbell tried to throw while moving his front foot laterally. Just stand up and throw it.

just another common jason campbell mistake...and people here think he's a good QB

Hog1 · 10-12-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

There are some things that are Zorn's fault though. Case in point...calling timeout on 4th down and justifying it by saying "well we weren't sure where they were going to spot it. Would it be 4th and 2, 4th and 5, 4th and 7." That's weak. Even if the spot is questionable, it's never a matter of 5 yards. That's ridiculous

I'm not saying Zorn hasn't done some...ridiculous things...time mgmt...play calling....etc.
BUT, he should NEVER have been in this position in the first place and a competant GM would never have put him there. He may make a great HC some day, but it was obviously premature for this year?

GTripp0012 · 10-12-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

just another common jason campbell mistake...and people here think he's a good QB

People also think Aaron Rodgers is a good QB. People also think Colt Brennan is a good QB.

It's all a matter of perception, to a reasonable extent.

hooskins · 10-12-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

People also think Aaron Rodgers is a good QB. People also think Colt Brennan is a good QB.

It's all a matter of perception, to a reasonable extent.

lol.

Hog1 · 10-12-2009, 01:41 PM

Jason is (to date) an average qb that COULD rise to greatness with the right support around him like great protection, running game, recievers consistently opening up, etc.
---See Mark Rypien
He does not have those things to cover his....average-ness

SmootSmack · 10-12-2009, 01:46 PM

Some interesting comments by the reporters and some Redskins staffers following Zorn's press conference today

"He looks like he wants to cry"

'Dead man walking"

"Don't have this kind of pressure as a QB coach in Seattle"

"This is more depressing to watch than the game"

"Snyder needs to put him out of misery"

BigHairedAristocrat · 10-12-2009, 01:56 PM

thanks smoot, so you were there? i knew you had connections, but i didnt think you were a member of the press.

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10-12-2009, 12:24 PM	#137
NCCU1984 Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 4	Re: Do you expect Zorn to be fired I know one thing, those 3 (2nd round picks) we used for receivers, should have been used on 3 quality Offensive linemen. That way our line would be better. You build a good team from the inside out, not the way we are doing it. We could have survived a few more years with Moss and ARE. Time for the other receiver to see the field. This offense does not even through past 15 yards. No wonder they cannot score more than 20 points.

10-12-2009, 12:29 PM	#138
hail_2_da_skins Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 68 Posts: 868	Re: Do you expect Zorn to be fired Mutiny on FedEx Field!!! I say make all of the culprits walk the plank! Feed them all to the sharks! Start with management; Dan Snyder, Vinnie Cerratto, Jim Zorn, Greg Blache, Sherman Smith, Stan Hixon and then the players; Jason Campbell, Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, Phillip Daniels, Cornelius Griffin, Stephon Heyer, Malcolm Kelly, LaRon Landry, Antwaan Randle El, Carlos Rogers, Chris Samuels, Mike Sellers, Fred Smoot, Devin Thomas, Mike Williams and Fred Davis. Fire them all! __________________ "HAIL TO THE SKINS"

10-12-2009, 12:34 PM	#139
JLee9718 Impact Rookie Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 573	Re: Do you expect Zorn to be fired All those draft choices we gave up for players who aren't even with us now. Snyder wasn't crazy for hiring Zorn, but Zorn was crazy for taking the job. doesn't Snyder see that Vinny has caused multiple problems for this team? I agree that Vinny must go! What would the 'Skins do if they fired Zorn? He's already under the bus for players who don't even deserve to be in the NFL.

10-12-2009, 01:13 PM	#140
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Do you expect Zorn to be fired Firing JZ is NOT the answer. To do that and hire another coach by the same people that hired Zorn in the first place just invites more of the same. And BTW, it ain't Zorn's fault. He was put in a position by VC, and Dan that is more than he is equipped..."today" to deal with. It should be fairly apparent by now neither Dan, or Vinnie were qualified to do so. What we DO need to do is hire a "Hot shoe" GM and dump it ALL on him. That is what they do. He would have plenty of time to evaluate what we have, and what we need...coaches, players, scouts, etc. There is also time to see what coaches are available, as there appears to be numerous candidates. AND DANfinger (see Bond, James Bond...circa 1960ish) can have VC carry his clubs, and maybe he can get on of those cool steal lined hats, like that Asian guy and...well you get the idea........HTTR __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

10-12-2009, 01:18 PM	#141
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Do you expect Zorn to be fired There are some things that are Zorn's fault though. Case in point...calling timeout on 4th down and justifying it by saying "well we weren't sure where they were going to spot it. Would it be 4th and 2, 4th and 5, 4th and 7." That's weak. Even if the spot is questionable, it's never a matter of 5 yards. That's ridiculous __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-12-2009, 01:41 PM	#148
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Do you expect Zorn to be fired Jason is (to date) an average qb that COULD rise to greatness with the right support around him like great protection, running game, recievers consistently opening up, etc. ---See Mark Rypien He does not have those things to cover his....average-ness __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

10-12-2009, 01:46 PM	#149
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Do you expect Zorn to be fired Some interesting comments by the reporters and some Redskins staffers following Zorn's press conference today "He looks like he wants to cry" 'Dead man walking" "Don't have this kind of pressure as a QB coach in Seattle" "This is more depressing to watch than the game" "Snyder needs to put him out of misery" __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-12-2009, 01:56 PM	#150
BigHairedAristocrat Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,712	Re: Do you expect Zorn to be fired thanks smoot, so you were there? i knew you had connections, but i didnt think you were a member of the press. __________________ Dolphins get good press for saving drowning humans.But we only hear about the swimmers theyve pushed ashore.You know who we havent heard from: all the people theyve pushed out to sea.Dolphins dont know what theyre doing-they just like pushing things.

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