Campbell's numbers dont lie

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I'm sure the insanity of your post has already been picked apart, but the stats you mention don't really mean much of anything. You're talking fantasy football stats, not real stats. The if you've watched the games, the vast majority of JC's production has come when we are behind late in the game and opposing defenses are playing prevent.

Of the quarteracks you mention with lower QB ratings than Campbell, not a single sane person would take Campbell over any of them. Nothing Campbell has shown me this year changes my opinion of him - he's the best QB on our roster, but he holds on to the ball too long, makes poor decions, can't get it done when it counts, and doesn't have the "it" factor you need in a franchise QB.

I garauntee by the end of the season, you and everyone who has made excuses for Campbell over the past several years will be regretting that we werent able to land Cutler or Sanchez in the offseason. I said it before and I'll restate it now - both of those guys are better than any QBs that will be available in the draft in 2010. I love Orakpo, but he's never going to single-handedly lead this team to the playoffs, which is something Cutler and Sanchez will be doing for their respective teams for years to come.

So what do you want, a cookie? I don't really understand why Skins fans still even care about Cutler or Sanchez in relation to Campbell. It's not like we turned down offers for them. We tried to get them, but didn't. Big deal, move on. Worry about who we have, not who we don't. The Cutler/Sanchez talk is beyond pointless.

[mike340]

Campbell is OK, no better. I think he's worse than his statistics. He can't hit a wide-open receiver (especially in stride.)
In the first drive of our last two games he has missed wide-open possible TDs
2 weeks ago: underthrew a wide-open Kelly, and if he can't throw that route he can't throw a fade. (I've never seen him successfully complete a fade pass. Think about how that impacts the defensive schemes inside the 20.)
Last week he threw a bad pass "at" Santana Moss at the 3. The only time I can remember him throwing to Moss in stride (no leap or adjustment necessary) Moss turned into a TD this last week.

I don't remember him throwing nice bombs, the most enjoyable play to watch in football. His passes don't allow the receivers to make plays since they have to leave their feet most of time unless it's a pattern from side to side. For these reasons the wide receivers all of a sudden got TDs with Collins.

Another question I have:
Is it Zorn or Campbell who decides that 5 pass plays in a row will go to Moss, 3 in a row to Cartwright, etc? I can't see the field in the telecast so I don't know who's open, but is Zorn calling play after play to the same receiver, or is Campbell checking down over and over to the same receiver? Is it really possible that Cooley wasn't getting open this game?

I'm starting to think that we should use Campbell outside the 20 and Collins inside the 20. Collins can throw a fade, so the other team would have to respect that near the goal-line. On the other hand, Collins's noodle arm wouldn't be as obvious in this range. It is interesting to note that in a pre-season poll, most on this board considered Campbell the weakest of the NFC East QBs and Collins the strongest of the backups.
I know it's not what is normally done, but does it hurt to give it a try?

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

1) Campbell is better than Cassel. By a lot.

2) You responded to my point above that you'd absolutely take Brady this year, injured knee, lack of confidence to plant his front foot and throw and all, so you have to live with that then. You can't point out that Brady, in the past, has been way better than he's playing now if your premise is that you'd take the current performance over Campbell.

Nobody is going to argue career Jason Campbell vs. career Tom Brady. It's silly and not relevant to anything.

1) So what. Someone said Brady plays behind a dominant O-line. I disagreed pointing out that Cassell was sacked more than Campbell last year. I was in no way making a comparison between Cassell and Campbell.

2) I would take Brady (and/or his performance based on whatever the hell point you're trying to make) right now regardless of your intimate conversations with him about his present confidence level, because we know what he is capable of based on his overall body of work. I also pointed out that Brady's stats, while "struggling", are still as good as or better than Campbells who is "stat-wise" playing the best football of his career. Furthermore, I have a feeling Brady's play will improve as the season goes on, which is something I can't say with any confidence about JC.

But anyway, please keep us all posted on Brady's confidence level and tell him I said hi.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

1) So what. Someone said Brady plays behind a dominant O-line. I disagreed pointing out that Cassell was sacked more than Campbell last year. I was in no way making a comparison between Cassell and Campbell.

2) I would take Brady (and/or his performance based on whatever the hell point you're trying to make) right now regardless of your intimate conversations with him about his present confidence level, because we know what he is capable of based on his overall body of work. I also pointed out that Brady's stats, while "struggling", are still as good as or better than Campbells who is "stat-wise" playing the best football of his career. Furthermore, I have a feeling Brady's play will improve as the season goes on, which is something I can't say with any confidence about JC.

But anyway, please keep us all posted on Brady's confidence level and tell him I said hi.

1) The point I was trying to make, and I was completely unclear here, is that Cassel's sacks are an indictment more of Matt Cassel then of the Pats offensive line. The Patriots probably have a much better OL than the Redskins, though it's admittedly an apples to oranges comparision.

2) Touche. Tom and I are merely pen pals, and we like to discuss abstract concepts such as confidence in our free time. Neither of us has any free time.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't think anybody knew Brees would explode the way he has coming off that shoulder injury. He's just been flat out balling. See to me this is what shows how good a QB is. Is Devry Henderson, Robert Meachum, Marcus Colston, Lance Moore and Shockey any better than the guys we have??? Colston may be but that's it if you ask me. The rest of them seem like average players. Shockey is overrated. How do they move the ball the way they do with these guys??? It must be the QB, good scheme and o-line. But if you put JC in that offense they don't move the ball the way they do.

The O-line was getting bumrushed by the Bills and Brees looked mediocre for a while in that game. BUT, they righted the ship and went to the running game. They're a complete offense. They struggle and still score 27.

And let's not forget about that Copper dude (Terrence?) and the other scrub WRs Brees has made look good over the last couple of years. Bad WRs is about the weakest excuse anyone can make for a QB.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

So what do you want, a cookie? I don't really understand why Skins fans still even care about Cutler or Sanchez in relation to Campbell. It's not like we turned down offers for them. We tried to get them, but didn't. Big deal, move on. Worry about who we have, not who we don't. The Cutler/Sanchez talk is beyond pointless.

Good point. We got JC for the rest of the year. If we want to talk about the future that's fine. If you know any free agent QBs or College Qbs that will be better then let's talk about that. But even then people are assuming that JC will be gone this season. He hasn't played that bad. Its only the third game. He can only get better. I think the running game is a QB's best friend once we get that going I guarantee all you haters that our offense wil thrive. Write it down. When we get our running game together, which we will, our whole offense will thrive. Its not JC fault that we are one dimensional. He does not control the o-line or rbs performances (or WRs for that matter). Someone said he has yet to hit someone in stride. But then he turns around and says he hits moss is stride for a touchdown. He misses open receivers. Its easy to sit on the sideline and say this and that. Things happen much quicker on the feel and no QB makes the right decisions 100% of the time. We have JC for the rest of the year. So please button your pie holes about ifs and buts. Support him or shut up. Because he is our QB. My belief is that he is going to be having a lot of people eating crow by the end of the season. We just need to get this running game going.

Support your QB. He is not Delhomme and even the Panthers still have faith in him. Fickle ass fans. I tell ya!!

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

The O-line was getting bumrushed by the Bills and Brees looked mediocre for a while in that game. BUT, they righted the ship and went to the running game. They're a complete offense. They struggle and still score 27.

And let's not forget about that Copper dude (Terrence?) and the other scrub WRs Brees has made look good over the last couple of years. Bad WRs is about the weakest excuse anyone can make for a QB.

Thats funny. We do awesome on offense and we end up lucky to score 27. When was the last time we had at least 35 points in a game? Was it the 05 game against the Cowboys at Fed Ex?

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

2) Touche. Tom and I are merely pen pals, and we like to discuss abstract concepts such as confidence in our free time. Neither of us has any free time.

Nice try Tripp.

You hate on Tom Brady and he sure as hell knows it.

Why can't you use a better comparison to JC in your scenario next time maybe use Peyton Manning for example?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Nice try Tripp.

You hate on Tom Brady and he sure as hell knows it.

Why can't you use a better comparison to JC in your scenario next time maybe use Peyton Manning for example?

Tom was just joking when he said that to me. I know he was.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Thats funny. We do awesome on offense and we end up lucky to score 27. When was the last time we had at least 35 points in a game? Was it the 05 game against the Cowboys at Fed Ex?

I found the last time we scored 30+ in a game. It was 32 against the Vikes at the end of '07. Last time we scored 35+ was 36 against the Jags in Week 4 of '06. So yes it's safe to say we have droughts in between our high scoring games.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Its funny. I am looking at the free agent QBs next year and I see nothing special. In the draft I see McCoy & Tebow. Don't know if Bradford's stock has dropped because of injury or not. There may be some sleepers but with our fans it would pretty much have to be a sure shot or we will run the next QB out of town also. Then we have Colt on IR. Those are pretty much our choices. Unless we make some type of trade. Which would have to be for picks and that would leave us with less picks to get a quality OL. We really aren't in a good posiiton to make a move for a QB but anything is possible. If Bradford plays well the rest of the season I think he would be the best option for an NFL ready QB. We will see starting Saturday against Miami. So I think our best bet now is to hope Campbell pans out. If he does he still might be gone because of the front office antics this offseason and the lack of support he receives from the fans. Its also depends on who our coach is next year. Another option is Vick. Ronnie Brown will be a free agent next year. That would be a good tandem to pick up. Brown is 27 though. So he would only help us for a few years. You also have Jerrious Norwoord. I just think FO has made the situation kind of sticky. The best bet is to root for JC and hope Zorn makes him into a formidable QB by the end of the year. I think he is on his way. We jsut need to have a little more patience.

[GTripp0012]

OMG, our 30+ pts scoreless streak is almost as long as our defensive touchdownless streak. Who knew?

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I'm getting tired of making the same points, but the main reason the Patriots don't look like the dominant team of previous seasons is because their defense is not nearly what it used to be. And Brees kicked ass in 2007, but the Saint went 7-9.

If the quarterback is the only player that matters, why are there 52 other guys on the roster? If it was as simple as picking the perfect quarterback, you wouldn't have head coaches putting in 90 hour weeks, or month long training camps to whip 90ish guys into shape to fill out 53 spots. Your oversimplification of the game of football is ridiculous to say the least.

Good responds Southpaw. Fans must remember that football is a team sport where 11 players have to be on the same page for plays to work. I player can kill a good play by either ( penality, missed assignment , bad pass , drop ball, and fumble). The Brett Farve game winning TD vs 49ers would not have happenend if his line did not block for him, or the WR catching the ball. So many things must go right for the play to be successful.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I'm sure the insanity of your post has already been picked apart, but the stats you mention don't really mean much of anything. You're talking fantasy football stats, not real stats. The if you've watched the games, the vast majority of JC's production has come when we are behind late in the game and opposing defenses are playing prevent.

Of the quarteracks you mention with lower QB ratings than Campbell, not a single sane person would take Campbell over any of them. Nothing Campbell has shown me this year changes my opinion of him - he's the best QB on our roster, but he holds on to the ball too long, makes poor decions, can't get it done when it counts, and doesn't have the "it" factor you need in a franchise QB.

I garauntee by the end of the season, you and everyone who has made excuses for Campbell over the past several years will be regretting that we werent able to land Cutler or Sanchez in the offseason. I said it before and I'll restate it now - both of those guys are better than any QBs that will be available in the draft in 2010. I love Orakpo, but he's never going to single-handedly lead this team to the playoffs, which is something Cutler and Sanchez will be doing for their respective teams for years to come.

You mean like the Great Trent Dilfer and Rex Grossman lead their teams ( Ravens/Bears) to the SuperBowl.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by celts32

If I were Vinny then Cutler would be starting for the Redskins. 25 year old franchise QB's don't grow on trees. I am 38 years old and the Redskins have been looking for one my whole life.

I wish I were Vinny because then I could resign and save the Redskins.

You said yourself we have been looking for a franchise QB and they don't grow on trees. What makes you so sure if we get rid of JC that we can find one or even draft one. I do believe we had Trent Green at 1 time as our QB and we let him go. Do you remember that? Do you remember Brad Johnson who once played for us and we let him go so we could play Jeff George? You remember those QB's Celts32 Huh? Stop whining about our QB and focus on the the O-line and Defense not getting off the field.