Ryan just can't turn a new Leaf

[dan_snyder69]

haha yea but we could try him at strong safety if Horton has any trouble. put that anger to a better use

[Zerohero]

Originally Posted by Missin21

Interesting. Everyone I know that has ever taken the drug, has said that they barely needed any to get off on it. Vicodin is very powerful & fun...I WAS addicted to it for a while a long time ago. Didn't need treatment, didn't need counselors, just needed to not have it around & available to me. I can take it now without any recourse or "relapse".

Now, I have a problem with the belief that there is a serious addiction problem in this country to these things, mainly because of the anti-marijuana ads we see. Total lies & falsehoods to get people who don't know any better to freak out & keep these things out of peoples hands. Now, when someone actually needs these things for actual pain, like 2 bulging discs at the base of my spine, they want to give my Ibuprophren to ease the pain. That doesn't really do anything. There was NO indication that I was addicted before because I really wasn't getting them from doctors like that, so unless I say something, they don't know. And I didn't, so they don't, so there is no reason why they would be so stingy when they can clearly see that people are in pain.

That being said, this is clearly a case of addiction when you are stealing from others to get the drugs, regardless of what that drug is. I feel for him, because an addiction to this can be damning. It almost ruined a couple of my relationships, so I can relate to his problem. But he was an asshole, so I don't feel too bad for him.

Im confused you say you were addicted and complaining that its hard for people to get their hands on these drugs. Sure some people can quite drugs and alcohol cold turkey, others break into peoples home and raid medicine cabinets.

While the news does like to fearmonger no matter what station, to think there isnt a drug problem(meth, prescription pills) you are underestimating a bit.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by nyredskinsfan

I just used hydrocodon for some dental work I had done. It took the edge off the pain but didn't totally eliminate it not last until the next dosage. You must have to take a handfull of these to get any buzz....which I won't try.

5 of em did nothing but make my head and nose itch

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Missin21

Now, I have a problem with the belief that there is a serious addiction problem in this country to these things, mainly because of the anti-marijuana ads we see. Total lies & falsehoods to get people who don't know any better to freak out & keep these things out of peoples hands. .

I don't think that weed should be illegal but I've known A LOT of people who knew they had drug tests coming up either a single one or multiple through probation, that failed due to weed. So maybe it's not an addiction, but there's something that keeps a crapload of people from stopping even when they know they need to.

[Missin21]

Originally Posted by Zerohero

Im confused you say you were addicted and complaining that its hard for people to get their hands on these drugs.

LOL. What I mean is that, if I go to a doctor tonite because I can't walk due to my back problems, chances are I will either not get any pain killers or I will get such a weak dosage that I would need to take scores of them for them to have any kind of effect. I don't go looking for these drugs outside of doctors & when I was getting them before, it was because I knew someone who was getting them thru their doctors & was willing to offer them to me to help me because I was having problems getting them from doctors then, as well.

If you want to find drugs on the streets, it's easy, no doubt. But if you are trying to do it the right way & actually trying to get help, doctors...well, the system is set up so that everyone thinks you're an addict as soon as you mention you want any kind of narcotic for pain. Be it Vicodin, Percocet, Oxycontin...they all think you're an addict. What's the point in making something that is only going to be looked at as a problem everytime someone asks for it & then do so little for the people who really need it? I've seen situations where a person was able to "score" a crap load of these meds with little trouble or need at all & others, including myself, that really DO need that help sometimes & have such a hard time getting them. It makes no sense to me.

While the news does like to fearmonger no matter what station, to think there isnt a drug problem(meth, prescription pills) you are underestimating a bit.

I apologize if I misrepresented. I am not saying that there isn't a drug problem, but simply that the numbers are padded. It's easier to make your point when you can show numbers, but when those numbers are inflated for the purpose of scaring people & they are the ones who come up with the numbers...who can argue? The problem, IMO, is not nearly as bad as they make it out to be. I was simply using the fear ads they run about marijuana as an example. They can't be honest about that, they sure as hell aren't going to be honest about anything else in the same arena. At least, I see no reason to believe them.


BTW, I love your signature & couldn't agree more.

[John Denny]

Originally Posted by dmek25

nifty thread title. and Leaf will always be a douche

I used to write for a newspaper so being nifty was kind of a requirement.

[skinsfan_nn]

The guy just doesn't get it....

Updated: June 16, 2009, 12:39 PM ET
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Prosecutors in Texas have set a Thursday morning deadline for former San Diego Chargers quarterback Ryan Leaf to turn himself in on drug-related charges, The San Diego Union-Tribune reported.

"He can run, but he can't hide and we will find him," said James Farren, the district attorney for Randall County, Texas, according to the report.

Farren is also considering additional charges against Leaf, who starred at Washington State and was taken second overall in the 1998 NFL draft, but struggled in a brief pro career. "There is sufficient information that I felt justified in asking the grand jury in keeping the investigation open," Farren said, according to the report.

Leaf's attorney, Bill Kelly, said Leaf would turn himself at some point this week. "All this stuff about extradition is hype, neon-sign hype, as far as I'm concerned," Kelly said, according to the report.

A warrant has been issued for Leaf's arrest in Randall County, where Leaf is charged with burglary to a habitation. Leaf also was indicted on seven counts of obtaining a controlled substance by fraud and one count of delivery of a simulated controlled substance.

The indictment alleged Leaf presented an incomplete medical history to several physicians between January 2008 and September 2008 to obtain or try to obtain the painkiller hydrocodone. He's also alleged to have broken into an apartment in Canyon on Oct. 30 and stealing hydrocodone, which had been prescribed to an injured football player.

Leaf underwent drug treatment in British Columbia and is believed to be working there. Last week, Kelly told The Associated Press that Leaf is "not a fugitive from justice" and would return.

Monday, Kelly said the delay in Leaf's return is owed to "paperwork issues that had to be completed as far as his work permit" in Canada, according to the Union-Tribune.

But Farren has waited long enough, according to the report.

"The fact that it's taking this long for him to make his appearance is creating some suspicion in my mind that he's stalling," Farren said, according to the newspaper. "If he doesn't show up by Thursday, we will be sending inquiries to every law enforcement agency that we can think of that might come into contact with him to make sure they're aware that there are warrants out for his arrest."

[sportscurmudgeon]

djnemo65:

You said:

"...but it's sad to see someone who had appeared to have really stabilized his life veer so far of course. "


If indeed he had stabilized his life, it might be sad to see something like this happen. However, I don't see a lot of evidence that Ryan Leaf's life was on some even keel and directed in some positive or noble direction.


I feel sorry for Ryan Leaf. He clearly has psychological issues related to self-control (temper) and substance abuse. Having said that, many people find the strength to deal with those kinds of issues such that they can lead productive lives. Ryan Leaf is now 33 years old. He has had time as an adult to deal with these issues and the evidence suggests that he has been far less than successful at doing so.


I hope he gets the help he needs and conquers these "demons". Until then, I don't have a lot of sympathy for him based on his actions.

[MTK]

He clearly needs some help. Hopefully he gets it before something really tragic happens.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SkinDogg

It's called bashing fatigue. He's been a joke for years.

As for the addiction, I'm not one to bash, I never did back in the day when Dexter Manley fell victim, over and over again.

Dexter was not a victim he willingly used drugs.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Dexter was not a victim he willingly used drugs.

To a point. Then they used him.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

To a point. Then they used him.

The word victim is thrown around to much these days. A victem is someone standing on a side walk who is hit by a drunk driver or shot in a random drive by. Not a guy who gets jacked up on coke but I do think he played better when he was using.

[John Denny]

It's a shame. i thought he was doing well, coaching golf and football in Montana or Idaho. he seemed content.

[jgalecpa]

Is Ryan Leaf the biggest mistake Dan Snyder DIDN'T make?

J-Dawg

[sportscurmudgeon]

jgalecpa:


I don't think Danny Boy ever had a realistic chance to consider signing Ryan Leaf so that would not qualify here.


The Skins never had a chance to draft Leaf - - and he came into the league before Danny Boy owned the team.

He was injured when he went to Tampa and never made out of their exhibition season.

When the Cowboys took him in 2001 and the Skins' coach at the time was Marty Schottenheimer who would rather have swallowed a jug of Drano than have a QB like Leaf.


After Leaf played a bit for the Cowboys, he was through...