Worst 5 Moves of Snyder era?

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

1. Hiring Spurrier and not hiring Marvin Lewis as Head Coach
2.Firing Marty after 1 season of 8-8. Just when the team started to respond to his style.
3.Looking to sign the next high profile old free agent ( Sanders, B.Smith, J. George,J.Taylor,M.Carrier,M.Brunell). Brunell did give Jason time to learn, but we change systems every year.
4.Not keeping good Redskin players ( A.Pierce, B. Mitchell,Ryan Clark, Brad Johnson Super Bowl QB.) Damm all these players have won a Super Bowl ring since they depart DC.

5.Not hiring Gregg Williams as Head Coach. We need a defensive mind coach that can make this team physically and mentallity tougher.

Thats my idea of his worst moves thus far.
6.Getting rid of Jason Campbell is on the horizon.

I think my list is about right compare to the others.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

1999 Lackluster? Compared to what? The '98 Vikings or '07 Patriots? That was a fun team. I still contend that if Andy Heck wasn't injured, forcing Kip fing Vickers into action against Simeon Rice the Skins win that game against Tampa and go to the NFC Championship. Forget the botched snap, Vickers lost the game. [end flashback].

No one named Vickers ever loses the game. :cool-smil

[redsk1]

This years missing draft picks may apply too:

2nd rounder: Jason Taylor (gone)
4th rounder: Kendall (starter for a couple years...not a bad swap...performed well, but gone)
7th rounder: Erasmus James (gone, was he ever here)

The real problem w/ me is James and Taylor.

I liked the Taylor move at the time but as an organization don't change the rules midway thru your deal. JT wasn't ever going to work out in DC. We knew that upfront. If we knew that upfront and changed the rules then we just lost a 2nd rounder. 2nd rounders are the best picks in the draft according to GM's. You get talent at a low price tag.

James was a waste of a 7th rounder. No one wanted this guy in the entire NFL but we give up a pick. I can hear it now, but it's just a 7th rounder. These picks add up. Yes, it's hit or miss in the late rounds but it shrinks your draft pool.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by redsk1

This years missing draft picks may apply too:

2nd rounder: Jason Taylor (gone)
4th rounder: Kendall (starter for a couple years...not a bad swap...performed well, but gone)
7th rounder: Erasmus James (gone, was he ever here)

The real problem w/ me is James and Taylor.

I liked the Taylor move at the time but as an organization don't change the rules midway thru your deal. JT wasn't ever going to work out in DC. We knew that upfront. If we knew that upfront and changed the rules then we just lost a 2nd rounder. 2nd rounders are the best picks in the draft according to GM's. You get talent at a low price tag.

James was a waste of a 7th rounder. No one wanted this guy in the entire NFL but we give up a pick. I can hear it now, but it's just a 7th rounder. These picks add up. Yes, it's hit or miss in the late rounds but it shrinks your draft pool.

You are correct. It's only a 7th to be sure. But it is better to use your 7th (Chris Horton, anyone?) than to just throw it away.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by redsk1

This years missing draft picks may apply too:

2nd rounder: Jason Taylor (gone)
4th rounder: Kendall (starter for a couple years...not a bad swap...performed well, but gone)
7th rounder: Erasmus James (gone, was he ever here)

The real problem w/ me is James and Taylor.

I liked the Taylor move at the time but as an organization don't change the rules midway thru your deal. JT wasn't ever going to work out in DC. We knew that upfront. If we knew that upfront and changed the rules then we just lost a 2nd rounder. 2nd rounders are the best picks in the draft according to GM's. You get talent at a low price tag.

James was a waste of a 7th rounder. No one wanted this guy in the entire NFL but we give up a pick. I can hear it now, but it's just a 7th rounder. These picks add up. Yes, it's hit or miss in the late rounds but it shrinks your draft pool.

I'm not going to kill the front office for James, a 7th round pick for a former first rounder, reunited with his college coach wasn't the worst deal in the world. For every Chris Horton there are a ton of guys who never make it out of training camp.

To say that 'we all knew upfront that Taylor wasn't going to work out' is playing MMQB to the highest level. For a guy who had never been hurt to suffer 2 leg injuries in a span of 4 weeks was just flukish. He was a year removed from winning defensive player of the year and was still very productive. We gambled and lost, it happens.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I'm not going to kill the front office for James, a 7th round pick for a former first rounder, reunited with his college coach wasn't the worst deal in the world. For every Chris Horton there are a ton of guys who never make it out of training camp.

To say that 'we all knew upfront that Taylor wasn't going to work out' is playing MMQB to the highest level. For a guy who had never been hurt to suffer 2 leg injuries in a span of 4 weeks was just flukish. He was a year removed from winning defensive player of the year and was still very productive. We gambled and lost, it happens.

I meant he wasn't going to do offseason workouts in DC. I didn't phrase that correctly. We knew that upfront.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I'm not going to kill the front office for James, a 7th round pick for a former first rounder, reunited with his college coach wasn't the worst deal in the world. For every Chris Horton there are a ton of guys who never make it out of training camp.

To say that 'we all knew upfront that Taylor wasn't going to work out' is playing MMQB to the highest level. For a guy who had never been hurt to suffer 2 leg injuries in a span of 4 weeks was just flukish. He was a year removed from winning defensive player of the year and was still very productive. We gambled and lost, it happens.

I will kill the FO for James. Minnesota was about to cut him. We could have gotten him for free. The only sticking point was whether someone would have picked him off of waivers first. And, on this point, the current NFL interest in him speaks for itself.

[AuburnRedskin]

Too many to choose from.

So I'll just say everything he's done except for the future glorious day when he finally sells the team.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by AuburnRedskin

Too many to choose from.

So I'll just say everything he's done except for the future glorious day when he finally sells the team.

Don't you have a web site you need to get working on?

[halodoc]

How is Gibbs getting blamed for the bad front office moves during his tenure? Yeah the team was very similar to what we had when he got there ,but thats not a bad thing. He tried to bring some stability , which he did. My top 5 in no order are...

1)Overpaying in trades. Every time we do a trade we never seem to get the same value that other team would get. We either give up an extra pick or don't receive an extra pick. And theres many examples of this Portis , Duckett , Moss , Taylor ,trading down last year ,ect.

2)Giving up on are coaching staff. Poor Jason Campells had to learn a new system almost every year. Then Synder turns around and wonders why he isn't a super star. He gave up on Marty and Norv ,gave up on Marvin lewis while throwing out Spurrier , and gave up on Greg Williams and Al Saunders when Gibbs left. Gibbs had planned for them to take the mantle and Synder said i want things my way. Which lead to number 3

3)How do you hire on o-cord before a head coach. One ,it made us look like complete morons ,and showed we have no plan and just do things on a whim. And since people realize how we work ,no respectable coach would come here. So we move a guy who was a QB coach into a head coach spot. Now i like Zorn but realize theres a learning curve ,But Synder is not know for his patience. When some big names pop up next year as head coaching candidates ,unless we go to the super bowl Zorn will be gone.

4) Blaming Jason Campell for are decline last year and trying to replace him. Yes Campell isnt a TOM Brady or Peyton Manning but hes a decent starter.If the Ravens can win a super bowl with Trent DIlfer we can win with Campell. We have a simular set up in place already -strong def and good run game ,just need some turnovers. It seems Syder just wants someone to fire and blame , since he has to ride Zorn one more year Campells his guy.Plus since Falco and Matt Ryan did well last year he thinks Sanchez will do that for us. But Ryan didnt win games Michael Turner did and not Flacco but Ed Reed ,a great defense , and a strong run game. Thouse QB's were not pressed to win game just to minimaze there mistakes.

5) Letting are good young cheap talent go and bringing in over priced names. The few draft picks we have , we draft better then most teams. So are scouting department is good when Synder isn't in love with some one like Sanchez. But to many times we have given up big money to outsiders and have none for are own.Perice is the most obvise ,and he was gonna stay at a discount.I see us doing this with Golston and Montgemery and Heyer and maybe even Chris Horton.

[Bishop Hammer]

1) Firing Marty. That is when I realized he was a bad owner.

2) Hiring "Spurious." Which only cemented my realization.

3) Letting Pierce go.

4) Letting Ryan Clark go to bringing in Archuleta. Clark was an on the field leader who Sean Taylor respected and listened to.

5) Firing Norv in the middle of the season.

[DBUCHANON101]

PPL need to get over this, AT THE TIME most of these deals were made they were good.
Spurrier = teams had been trying to lure him out of the college ranks for YEARS before he came here.
Marty= good coach but NEVER won the big one.
Norv = better OC than HC
JC = I cant blame him for wanting to upgrade, this kid was paid 1st rd money and has not shown any return. and enough of the different coaches BS,many players go to different teams and do well. that kind of success is expected from a 1st rounder.
James=former 1st round pick,not a bad gamble for a 7th.
Taylor = we lost 2 DE's and were desperate, and i remember JT was a double digit sack man at the time also.
Pierce= Ill give you this one, He was a very good player.
hindsight is 20/20

[bedlamVR]

Marty was a terrible, terrible, terrible GM . He showed it over here and carried on showing it with SD . His coaching style was confrontational and his idea of a good idea was alienating people like Darrrell Green, Geoff George and Deion Sanders along to the point they either were never going to return, retired or were cut early in the season .

Marty also went on to drop hard working "Core Redskins" Like Marco Coleman (a double digit LDE), Larry Centers .

He cut problematical players but often the wrong ones Albert Connell was a pain but he was more productive than Kevin locket .

His draft was awful . Fred Smoot is more popular than he is good , Rod Gardner was a mistake as was Sage Rosenfals was better for other teams and out of 5 picks he took one DL Marrio Monds anyone? and 2 WR's .

Marty also stayed loyal to his coaching staff and family memebers replacing the effective Ray Rhodes with his brother, staying Loyal to Jimmy Raye despite the offense being horrible, I mean worse than Spurrier at times . It was embaressing to watch .

For this reason Hiring Marty was a mistake in the first place . Had we made the right move and ditched Norv in 2000 we could have had Bilacheat as HC for example . We went or the big slpash and he washed out it was 8 years ago get over it .

Also Antonio Pierce . Man what a loss . He was replaced admirrally in 2005 by Lamar Marshell when the team went from 6-10 to 10-6 and the second round of the playoffs helped how ? Mostly by the D . lets not forget since joining NYG the LB corps has been the weakest link in that D with new starters shuffling in each year . We had one down year at MLB in 2006 with Marshell and then Fletcher came in . Not really a long seach . AP has also got more press for his mouth and off field behavior than anything on the field behind the best D-line in football. Who was with Plex when he shot himself ... ?

My worst moves .

Failing at Stability 101 : Firing coahes massive team turn over and always looking to replace hard working big committment guys with stars - e.g. Clark .

Trading Draft picks : Thinking it is 1972 in terms of obtaining talent . I know draft picks are only potential but we are far too willing to part company with them . We lock onto particlaur players rather than types of players .

Democracy ! - We need a leader, just One, not many (or establishing a identity) : The Front office is far too easily swayed by public opinion, and suffers from the "too many chiefs" in the coaching staff throughout the Gibbs area in particular . We may not need a new GM but we do need a decisive GM who listens and then does what is best for the team rather than pandering to position coaches .

I think Doc Walker said it best in the middle of the Cutler farce . This team could be very good if they chose a path and stayed with it . But we keep stopping and changing directions and so never have success .

One Speed free agency : We have to be first with FA pickups which often means we are spent up meaning when interesting Vets become available after the draft and in June we have nothing to offer .

Relationship with the press . Dan Snyder would have a much easier time with things if he had not been as hostile with the local media . This means the Post in particular will take swings at the owner every opportunity they get and often positive stories are totally overlooked . Taking the Shottenhiemer situation for example if you believe the press then Marty hates the Dan, yet they are regular golf partners and was present at Dan Snyders fathers funeral etc . Who was the quickest owner in his pocket after Katrina, Dan helped out players and past players loaning his plane to a number of players and ex payers for family reasons . we never hear the positive role Dan Snyder is having with the NFL sitting on many comittees and bringing about positive change .

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by bedlamVR

Marty was a terrible, terrible, terrible GM . He showed it over here and carried on showing it with SD . His coaching style was confrontational and his idea of a good idea was alienating people like Darrrell Green, Geoff George and Deion Sanders along to the point they either were never going to return, retired or were cut early in the season .

Marty also went on to drop hard working "Core Redskins" Like Marco Coleman (a double digit LDE), Larry Centers .

He cut problematical players but often the wrong ones Albert Connell was a pain but he was more productive than Kevin locket .

His draft was awful . Fred Smoot is more popular than he is good , Rod Gardner was a mistake as was Sage Rosenfals was better for other teams and out of 5 picks he took one DL Marrio Monds anyone? and 2 WR's .

Marty also stayed loyal to his coaching staff and family memebers replacing the effective Ray Rhodes with his brother, staying Loyal to Jimmy Raye despite the offense being horrible, I mean worse than Spurrier at times . It was embaressing to watch .

For this reason Hiring Marty was a mistake in the first place . Had we made the right move and ditched Norv in 2000 we could have had Bilacheat as HC for example . We went or the big slpash and he washed out it was 8 years ago get over it .

Also Antonio Pierce . Man what a loss . He was replaced admirrally in 2005 by Lamar Marshell when the team went from 6-10 to 10-6 and the second round of the playoffs helped how ? Mostly by the D . lets not forget since joining NYG the LB corps has been the weakest link in that D with new starters shuffling in each year . We had one down year at MLB in 2006 with Marshell and then Fletcher came in . Not really a long seach . AP has also got more press for his mouth and off field behavior than anything on the field behind the best D-line in football. Who was with Plex when he shot himself ... ?

My worst moves .

Failing at Stability 101 : Firing coahes massive team turn over and always looking to replace hard working big committment guys with stars - e.g. Clark .

Trading Draft picks : Thinking it is 1972 in terms of obtaining talent . I know draft picks are only potential but we are far too willing to part company with them . We lock onto particlaur players rather than types of players .

Democracy ! - We need a leader, just One, not many (or establishing a identity) : The Front office is far too easily swayed by public opinion, and suffers from the "too many chiefs" in the coaching staff throughout the Gibbs area in particular . We may not need a new GM but we do need a decisive GM who listens and then does what is best for the team rather than pandering to position coaches .

I think Doc Walker said it best in the middle of the Cutler farce . This team could be very good if they chose a path and stayed with it . But we keep stopping and changing directions and so never have success .

One Speed free agency : We have to be first with FA pickups which often means we are spent up meaning when interesting Vets become available after the draft and in June we have nothing to offer .

Relationship with the press . Dan Snyder would have a much easier time with things if he had not been as hostile with the local media . This means the Post in particular will take swings at the owner every opportunity they get and often positive stories are totally overlooked . Taking the Shottenhiemer situation for example if you believe the press then Marty hates the Dan, yet they are regular golf partners and was present at Dan Snyders fathers funeral etc . Who was the quickest owner in his pocket after Katrina, Dan helped out players and past players loaning his plane to a number of players and ex payers for family reasons . we never hear the positive role Dan Snyder is having with the NFL sitting on many comittees and bringing about positive change .

You realize he's only fired Turner and Schottenheimer, right? Spurrier resigned over Snyder's objection, Gibbs retired over Snyder's objection. Robiske was an interim coach, very few of whom get retained anyways but it's easy for the media to add to the Snyder legend by lumping him in with the number of coaches we've had under his ownership.

You mentioned a better relationship with the press, a better informed fanbase has to go along with it. Too many 'fans' are sheep to the media and what they put out there, factual or not.

[wolfeskins]

i would have liked to see marty get another season with the skins. he should not have been fired so quickly, imo.