The Redskins want to replace Jon Jansen for good

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

If they really want get rid of Jansen, then they should cut him and eat his salary cap. Sign Runyan (as much as I hate him, he's a mauler) draft Mack this year and draft another T or 2 in 2010.

Like your ideas, but not sure about eating salary cap $$$ with the recent signings.


PS. Can any of you guys tell me about the neighborhoods near Bolling AFB? I am looking at making the big move to DC from Detroit and looking at potential apartments.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Didn't Thomas and Kelly come into camp out of shape?

Thomas was not so out of shape that he couldn't show up at the Combine. Malcolm Kelly had a bum knee as a Combine excuse. Besides, what kind of year did they have?

Andre Smith likely cost himself millions of dollars simply because he couldn't be bothered to hit the gym. Woe to the team which gets that head case.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Didn't Thomas and Kelly come into camp out of shape?

Yeah. I think the problem was nobody took them under wing and instilled professionalism... just one of the reason's i'm anti-Hixon. F sakes the dude's got a group of professional vets who make sure they are in tip top shape and yet he can't find a way to tend to his whole flock of two f'ing rookies... don't get me started.

... i think the hope is that w/ A. Smith Buges will put the fear of God in him and Samuels will be his mentor... sort of good cop/bad cop strategy?

[wilsowilso]

No team in the NFL would start Jon Jansen on opening day in 2009. This is some in depth knowledge JLC! Keep it up!

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Actually I can't think of more than a few good WRs who did have good first years. It is rlatively accepted that rookie WRs struggle. Now do they struggle like ours did? Not sure...injuries played a huge role in that but name more than 5 who played WELL. Not just average or almost average.

Almost average would be a big improvement for Kelly and Thomas.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Yeah. I think the problem was nobody took them under wing and instilled professionalism... just one of the reason's i'm anti-Hixon. F sakes the dude's got a group of professional vets who make sure they are in tip top shape and yet he can't find a way to tend to his whole flock of two f'ing rookies... don't get me started.

... i think the hope is that w/ A. Smith Buges will put the fear of God in him and Samuels will be his mentor... sort of good cop/bad cop strategy?

If it were that easy, the line would not have been so bad last year. NFLers have to be considerably self-motivated and there are a thousand examples where good coaches do not change a head case.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Almost average would be a big improvement for Kelly and Thomas.

True. Also not hurt for 75% of the season would have been too. F*cking rookies have to get the sh*t straight. WHat the hell were they thinking getting hurt? Punks!

Seriously, they sucked. But they were hurt, for whatever reason . I'm not saying they are any good. I am saying we simply don't know and basing anything on last season is way premature.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Steve Smith, Wes Welker, Vincent Jackson each had 10 or fewer receptions their first season; Chad Johnson, TJ Houshmandzadeh, Plaxico Burress each had 20 or fewer.

Steve Smith's rookie season: 10 catches, 154 yards, 4 carries, 43 yards (8 fumbles, 3 lost)

Devin Thomas: 15 catches, 120 yards, 3 carries, 54 yards, 1 TD

Six names. You have access to all the power of ESPN and you come up with 6 names. How many people have played the position in the last fifteen years? Hundreds. I stand by my contention that if it looks like a bust, smells like a bust, lives in the training room like a bust, and can't memorize plays like a bust, then it is probably a bust.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

If it were that easy, the line would not have been so bad last year. NFLers have to be considerably self-motivated and there are a thousand examples where good coaches do not change a head case.

First of all Buges went through what none of us wish on our worst enemy last year... obviously his group was going to suffer a bit as he missed time and understandably would have lost focus and you know what it's ok. We weren't serious contenders and Buges has given as much of himself to the franchise as anyone there.

[tootergray34]

replacing jansen with runyan makes no sense, they are both out of their prime as OL and have a 3 as the first digit in their age! If anything we'd cut him and eat up his cap so we can sign either Oher or Smith from Alabama. Either way...I still think ole Vinny will do something dumb on draft day...but we can always hope for the best.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by The Goat

First of all Buges went through what none of us wish on our worst enemy last year... obviously his group was going to suffer a bit as he missed time and understandably would have lost focus and you know what it's ok. We weren't serious contenders and Buges has given as much of himself to the franchise as anyone there.

I wasn't busting on Bugel. You are right that he gives his all and his all is a lot.

I simply pointed out that even the best coach cannot rectify an incurably bad attitude, and Andre Smith seems to have such an attitude. He drank a bit too much of that "it's all about me" poisoned koolaid.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I wasn't busting on Bugel. You are right that he gives his all and his all is a lot.

I simply pointed out that even the best coach cannot rectify an incurably bad attitude, and Andre Smith seems to have such an attitude. He drank a bit too much of that "it's all about me" poisoned koolaid.

Could be Lotus. I been thinking if we take Smith it's cuz Samuels got a chance to sit down, have a face-to-face and sort of evaluate him, make sure he's gonna be the next franchise OT and take it serious. Just saying if we grab him I'll be confident at that point in time because there was due diligence on our part...

[MTK]

If there's a starting quality RT sitting there at #13 and we pass... wow there's gonna be a lot of head scratching going on.

[tootergray34]

I'm not completely sold on Smith, I'm wondering what all the hype about this kid is. He's proved to the world that he is lazy, I'd much rather have Oher here b/c I think he will end up having a better career. And better than him would be Eugene Monroe...but him slipping to us would be a miracle.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Could be Lotus. I been thinking if we take Smith it's cuz Samuels got a chance to sit down, have a face-to-face and sort of evaluate him, make sure he's gonna be the next franchise OT and take it serious. Just saying if we grab him I'll be confident at that point in time because there was due diligence on our part...

Fair enough. But for my money we shouldn't use a #13 pick on someone whose attitude needs such molding and who still might be a problem. We should use a #13 pick on someone who simply needs a bit of polishing to become a shiny diamond.

It is possible that Oher, Monroe, or Jason Smith fall to #13. If not, there still should be Beatty and Britton, both of whom could be excellent tackles without Andre's baggage.