Dockery Cut:

GMScud · 02-27-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

I'm pretty sure even with Parcells the same could have been said by some about coming to Miami last year. 1-15 team, first time head coach, turmoil in the locker-room.

How can anyone say that their front office and coaching moves haven't made the team better? They got rid of the worst GM in NFL history with Matt Millen and fired a coach that went 1-23 in his last 24 games. I think they can ONLY get better by default!

Good points. As Miami and Atlanta (and Baltimore to some extent) proved, you can go from disaster to playoffs pretty quickly in the NFL.

SFREDSKIN · 02-27-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

My point wasnt that he wasnt coming HERE, its that he was going to Detroit. Detroits the joke of the NFL. none of their front office or coaching moves looks to have made the team any better... why on earth would ANYONE go to detroit?

They've got more salary cap space which equates to a bigger contract.

The Goat · 02-27-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat
"I thought about starting another thread for this post, but now that we have Haynesworth, our top 4 DTs are now: Haynesworth, Griffin, Montgommery and Golston. Alexander is now our #5DT. We dont need that many DTs so Alexander is the odd man out.

Why the heck would we pursue Dockery when we could just move Alexander back to guard? I think it would be much wiser to pursue a FA RT. That way, we could go into the draft with no GLARING needs. "

... Am I the only one immature enough to not realize he meant Free Agent Right Tackle and thought he wanted us to persue a Fart?

ha ha. Well i think we still have glaring needs at RT, LG and SLB. I highly doubt we can address more than 1 of those in FA (2 at the most if we get Dock and Willis cheap). That probably means we still take Maluauga at 13 which I'm more and more excited about.

MTK · 02-27-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

I wouldn't go that far. They have a rabid fan base, great facilities, and a new head coach. He's probably just doing his due diligence as far as contract offers go.

Just b/c he wasn't immediately on Redskin One for a visit to Ashburn this morning doesn't mean he has no desire to win. That's kind of a silly statement.

Nothing wrong with him checking out his options. I agree, to question his desire based on that is pretty silly.

30gut · 02-27-2009, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

It's not that easy. Remember, Alexander was an undrafted free agent who played his way onto the team for being able to do a little bit of everything. Ever hear the phrase Jack of all trades, master of none? That's LoAx. If anything, the fact they are going after Dock it's an indictment on Chad Reinhart that he's not ready to step up into the starting lineup despite being a 3rd round pick last year.

Going after Dockery imo is an indictment on the FO/Buges and how they have managed or mismanaged the offensive line.

skinsfan69 · 02-27-2009, 03:53 PM

My thing with Dock is why is Buff letting him go? Dock just seems like kind of an average player to me. He was never anything special here. Good road grader but couldn't pull and got a ton of false starts. Plus Kendall really wasn't the main problem with the line. It was more Jansen and Rabach IMO. I know we need to get younger but what about Rinehart? Does he just plain suck?

GTripp0012 · 02-27-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

My thing with Dock is why is Buff letting him go? Dock just seems like kind of an average player to me. He was never anything special here. Good road grader but couldn't pull and got a ton of false starts. Plus Kendall really wasn't the main problem with the line. It was more Jansen and Rabach IMO. I know we need to get younger but what about Rinehart? Does he just plain suck?

Kendall was definitely not the main problem with the line, but he's also the one part of it that doesn't have a contract for next season.

I really do think Jason Brown is/should be the team's first choice here, but Dockery should be the plan B. I hope if they do pay for Brown, they release Rabach and let Brown be the Center. Paying him to play LG would be such a misuse of our limited resources.

Meks · 02-27-2009, 04:01 PM

doc was a pulling monster when he was here, moe-ing mofos down on tosses and counters..... dont know what games u were watching SkinsFan

skinsfan69 · 02-27-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Kendall was definitely not the main problem with the line, but he's also the one part of it that doesn't have a contract for next season.

I really do think Jason Brown is/should be the team's first choice here, but Dockery should be the plan B. I hope if they do pay for Brown, they release Rabach and let Brown be the Center. Paying him to play LG would be such a misuse of our limited resources.

I don't know much about this guy Brown from Balt. other than he can play center and guard but again, can he play? Why isn't Balt. resigning him?

GTripp0012 · 02-27-2009, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't know much about this guy Brown from Balt. other than he can play center and guard but again, can he play? Why isn't Balt. resigning him?

He's young and mediocre. Not unlike Hall.

He's clearly more physically able to handle the position than Rabach is. He's not necessarily worth what he's going to get in free agency, but he would fill a hole that we would no longer need to use a draft pick on, which is valuable within itself.

Dirtbag59 · 02-27-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Meks

doc was a pulling monster when he was here, moe-ing mofos down on tosses and counters..... dont know what games u were watching SkinsFan

I think your mixing up Dockery with Thomas. Thomas was the pulling monster in his prime. Dockery was just the space eater. The wall that people just couldn't get around. Either way I really just want to see the team bring in him and Willis. That way we can take a guy like Meluga with our first pick no problem and in the process get our heir apparent to Fletcher.

MTK · 02-27-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't know much about this guy Brown from Balt. other than he can play center and guard but again, can he play? Why isn't Balt. resigning him?

2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 78 | Key
Alert: None

Comment: Brown is a big, strong and wide-bodied interior offensive lineman who has a very thick lower body that makes him difficult to move backwards. Brown played both guard and center in college. While he has only played guard in the NFL, he is capable of handling the pivot and should do an excellent job against massive nose tackle types from the center position. He is a very powerful man who can push a pile or anchor against bigger pass rushers. He is a mauler who puts smaller men on their back and he shows a willingness to finish his blocks. Brown has heavy hands and can stun opposing linemen with his punch and long arms. He is a smart player who acclimated to the NFL quickly and has good recognition of stunts and blitzes. While he continues to improve in this area, Brown is still much better coming forward than retreating in pass protection. He isn't a very good space player and once beaten, can struggle to recover against quicker, more athletic interior pass rushers. He is a two-year starter who should continue to improve. He works hard and is well respected. The Ravens need to be careful with his tender because if they tender him too low, many teams around the league could pounce on Brown. He is a legitimate starter on a power-running team and his stock should continue to rise.

BigHairedAristocrat · 02-27-2009, 05:13 PM

LavarLeap56 at extremeskins.com has some connections at redskins park and this is what he had to say about the current status of the dockery situation:

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hes not hurting but every opurtunity for a new contract could be your last. doc has to try and maximize the oppurtunity. skins want him at a value price and need some cap stuff to get cleared. Docs been told to sit tight and they will come and get him essentially. the balls in the skins court though so lets just be patient.

As far as Brown goes, i dont see us bringing him in to play Center or having enough money to pay him to play guard. He would certainly command much more at guard than Dock would. While he would be an upgrade at center, i dont think we can afford that upgrade now. Behind LT, center is the strongest postion on our O-line right now.

Ruhskins · 02-27-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't know much about this guy Brown from Balt. other than he can play center and guard but again, can he play? Why isn't Balt. resigning him?

Baltimore was trying to keep Scott and Lewis, plus paying Suggs his tag salary. Plus, after Jordan Gross signed with the Panther, he became one of the top FA offensive linemen.

Dirtbag59 · 02-27-2009, 06:05 PM

Anyone have an update on Willis?

02-27-2009, 03:53 PM	#156
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,265	Re: Dockery Cut: My thing with Dock is why is Buff letting him go? Dock just seems like kind of an average player to me. He was never anything special here. Good road grader but couldn't pull and got a ton of false starts. Plus Kendall really wasn't the main problem with the line. It was more Jansen and Rabach IMO. I know we need to get younger but what about Rinehart? Does he just plain suck?

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Meks Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Jersey Age: 39 Posts: 5,605	Re: Dockery Cut: doc was a pulling monster when he was here, moe-ing mofos down on tosses and counters..... dont know what games u were watching SkinsFan __________________ R.I.P #21SEAN TAYLOR

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