RUMOR: Bruce Allen to Redskins?

[Dirtbag59]

I don't know if we really have an "elite" D. Though this is probably more a matter of perception. My perception is that we were more of a very good D, who's numbers might have been better because our offense didn't really create a sense of urgency from our opponents.

To me though the elite D's this year belonged to the Titans, Steelers, and Ravens. Defenses that not only stopped people but destroyed them. Our D was more of a "stop you" kind of defense, which isn't exactly a bad thing, but it's obvious that we're not the type of team that can win 10 or 11 games with our D. We need at least a top 15 offense to supplement them, which is pretty good when you think about it, but teams like those I mentioned above were able to get over 10 wins with offenses ranked 21 (Ten), 22 (Pit), and 18 (Bal). We were 19th in total offense for anyone who wants to know.

Side Note: 2,400th post FTW

[SmootSmack]

The friendship between Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato is sooooo overblown, VC was actually probably better friends with Gerald Snyder than with Cerrato.

And Snyder's "meddling" in team affairs is overblown as well, especially in relation to other owners' "meddling" with their teams.

But ultimately it doesn't matter. Ultimately, VC just has to be removed from any football-related decision making. Not so much because of what he has and hasn't accomplished, but because fans just don't believe anything but what they decided to believe a long time ago.

As for Sean Taylor, we miss him big time on the field! Big time! Not to mention the fact that were he alive we probably would have spent the picks on Moore and/or Horton elsewhere, perhaps the line.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The friendship between Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato is sooooo overblown, VC was actually probably better friends with Gerald Snyder than with Cerrato.

And Snyder's "meddling" in team affairs is overblown as well, especially in relation to other owners' "meddling" with their teams.

But ultimately it doesn't matter. Ultimately, VC just has to be removed from any football-related decision making. Not so much because of what he has and hasn't accomplished, but because fans just don't believe anything but what they decided to believe a long time ago.

As for Sean Taylor, we miss him big time on the field! Big time! Not to mention the fact that were he alive we probably would have spent the picks on Moore and/or Horton elsewhere, perhaps the line.

We could change GM's and things would be dandy for a short time, but I really think that over time people would only go back to blaming Snyder for "meddling" and they wouldn't believe that the GM is truly calling the shots.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The friendship between Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato is sooooo overblown, VC was actually probably better friends with Gerald Snyder than with Cerrato.

And Snyder's "meddling" in team affairs is overblown as well, especially in relation to other owners' "meddling" with their teams.

But ultimately it doesn't matter. Ultimately, VC just has to be removed from any football-related decision making. Not so much because of what he has and hasn't accomplished, but because fans just don't believe anything but what they decided to believe a long time ago.

As for Sean Taylor, we miss him big time on the field! Big time! Not to mention the fact that were he alive we probably would have spent the picks on Moore and/or Horton elsewhere, perhaps the line.

That is a pretty good analysis. I never thought about that aspect of losing him.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

We could change GM's and things would be dandy for a short time, but I really think that over time people would only go back to blaming Snyder for "meddling" and they wouldn't believe that the GM is truly calling the shots.

Until we win a Superbowl the blame will always go right here. I am more pumped to win a SB because then I can tell all haters to shut it. I hope it happens sometime soon.

[bigdaddy2348]

Originally Posted by celts32

Our father who art in heaven...

lol 2 funny

[44ever]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

As for Sean Taylor, we miss him big time on the field! Big time! Not to mention the fact that were he alive we probably would have spent the picks on Moore and/or Horton elsewhere, perhaps the line.

That's what I meant when I said our FO was on the right track in ways we are not considering.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The friendship between Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato is sooooo overblown, VC was actually probably better friends with Gerald Snyder than with Cerrato.

And Snyder's "meddling" in team affairs is overblown as well, especially in relation to other owners' "meddling" with their teams.

But ultimately it doesn't matter. Ultimately, VC just has to be removed from any football-related decision making. Not so much because of what he has and hasn't accomplished, but because fans just don't believe anything but what they decided to believe a long time ago.

As for Sean Taylor, we miss him big time on the field! Big time! Not to mention the fact that were he alive we probably would have spent the picks on Moore and/or Horton elsewhere, perhaps the line.

That doesn't really make sense though. What GM has a close relationship with the owners father? To me the fact that he knows the father that well tells me that the relationship has definitely crossed the line from business to personal. I understand your general point that it's not all his fault and I don't pretend it is. But this organization just needs someone new even if it is just someone new to blame. He have had a bad last decade and we are still blaming the same person for it! Isn't that alone reason enough for change?

I do agree on the point that Snyders day to day meddling is most likely overblown.

[wvuskins]

As long as he doesn't trade away picks and he stands up to danny boy not letting him run the redskins like a fantasy team it is a step in the right direction

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

We could change GM's and things would be dandy for a short time, but I really think that over time people would only go back to blaming Snyder for "meddling" and they wouldn't believe that the GM is truly calling the shots.

Not necessarily...it would depend on who the GM was and how much respect he has around the league. But maybe I am not the right person to answer that because I don't believe that Dan meddles much on a day to day basis to begin with. I believe that he lets Vinny do his job for the most part...I just don't think he makes Vinny accountable in the same way he has made everyone else there accountable over the last 10 years. And the proof of that is that he's pretty much the only one still there from the start.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by celts32

That doesn't really make sense though. What GM has a close relationship with the owners father? To me the fact that he knows the father that well tells me that the relationship has definitely crossed the line from business to personal. I understand your general point that it's not all his fault and I don't pretend it is. But this organization just needs someone new even if it is just someone new to blame. He have had a bad last decade and we are still blaming the same person for it! Isn't that alone reason enough for change?

I do agree on the point that Snyders day to day meddling is most likely overblown.

Well Snyder's father's been dead for about six years now you know, but the point was just that Snyder's dad and VC were friends. I think more so than VC and Dan. Snyder's dad's influence on the team and its decisions the first couple of years that Dan Snyder owned the team is a whole other story not really worth bringing up...but I digress.

[celts32]

Yea I did know his father had passed away. I just think it's odd that he had such a close relationship with him. To me that's almost worse...if I ran a business and had an employee who I knew my late father was so fond of I would probably have a hard time ever letting that employee go.

[SmootSmack]

I don't think it stopped him in other cases. But I see your point.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The friendship between Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato is sooooo overblown, VC was actually probably better friends with Gerald Snyder than with Cerrato.

And Snyder's "meddling" in team affairs is overblown as well, especially in relation to other owners' "meddling" with their teams.

But ultimately it doesn't matter. Ultimately, VC just has to be removed from any football-related decision making. Not so much because of what he has and hasn't accomplished, but because fans just don't believe anything but what they decided to believe a long time ago.

As for Sean Taylor, we miss him big time on the field! Big time! Not to mention the fact that were he alive we probably would have spent the picks on Moore and/or Horton elsewhere, perhaps the line.

I don't have your sources Smoot, so I just base my opinions on what I read & what's reported by espn et al. I don't know the extent of the 'meddling.' Maybe it should be clarified that Snyder negotiates contracts & makes some major personel decisions as a matter of standard business. If he doesn't do that, then I've been misled by various reporters.

Maybe that is what many fans see as "meddling." Rather than getting caught up in semantics, I'll just say that it appears to me that he makes or influences decisions that he is not best suited to, based on his background (he's been owner for 10 years now but he still doesn't have a lot of football experience).

What complicates this for many fans is that Snyder isn't very accessible and doesn't reach out to the fan base.

I truly hope he's giving Vinny the space he needs, and I would love to see both of them succeed of course. I even believe they can, it's just my opinion that in order to do so Snyder needs to change more than Vinny does. But if their personal relationship gets in the way - which again I don't know - then some change is needed.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

We could change GM's and things would be dandy for a short time, but I really think that over time people would only go back to blaming Snyder for "meddling" and they wouldn't believe that the GM is truly calling the shots.

The only thing that would change the perception of the media and fans, regardless of who is in the GM/personnel role, is a team that consistently is a threat to win 10+ games and go deep into the playoffs.

I'd be fine with a change of regime with the caveat that it's a full changing of football operations with one voice, one philosophy and a organizational structure that we're committed to. Just adding Allen to the muddled mess we currently have is rather pointless.