JLC: Rogers, Possibly on the Way Out

[Counter-Tre]

Originally Posted by redskins4lif

I think they should bring all 4 of the corners back next year if they can and start hall and rogers and have springs rotate with horton at saftey and some corner next year if he would do that

What he said.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I don't think that anyone would question Hall's ball skills, the problem with him is his struggles in coverage and high completion percentage against. You err in making it sound like his high completion percentage against was an aberration that came out of the blue when he went to Oakland. That is incorrect. Hall has always struggled in completion percentage and yards allowed per completion. Football Outsiders has compiled these metrics, though I do not have the handy. If you want to choose between Hall and Rogers, the latter is the better coverage cornerback by a pretty fair margin. If Hall gets big money and Rogers is either traded or allowed to walk after his contract is up (which wouldn't really make sense since the Redskins could give him a high tender and get compensation if he were an RFA after 2009) then that is a mistake. Sure, it would be fine to have both as you say, but if Hall gets $45-50 million and $12-15 million to sign then there will not be money for Rogers so you are making a choice between the two.

Fwiw, I have Hall at 25 targets and a 67% completion allowed, for about 6.7 yards (roughly league average) per attempt. That's without the Philly game, so his numbers are probably even better than that. Ironically, his targets and YPA are exactly equal to Springs this year.

It makes some sense, since they are both the high % corners who make picks when given opportunities and relies on closing speed and tackle ability to prevent the first down (although Springs is a significantly better tackler than Hall).

I would say, based on the evidence, that Hall is a better investment going forward than Springs. But the fact that Rogers is even in discussion is some real unnecessary pot stirring by La Canfora at best, and downright embarrassing at worst. I just don't see it as an either or. We have to make a decision on Hall AND Springs this off-season. We don't have to do anything with Rogers until we decide what to do with the other two.

[dmek25]

i agree. and they ought to give Smoot the first seat on a plane ride out of town

[SmootSmack]

This seems kind of ridiculous. Of course the Redskins will do their due diligence and shop Rogers around quietly before they really need to make a decision on his long-term future with the Redskins. They'll probably do the same with Campbell. It's pretty standard practice. Will they actually let him go? I suppose it's possible especially with Hall probably signing a nice contract with us and Springs possibly staying but that makes Rogers no more expendable. Because after those three who do you have? Smoot is ok as a dime db, Tryon is fine on special teams but a ways away from being a regular DB on the field, and Westbrook can't even get on the active roster

[WaldSkins]

Redskins could use Rogers as bargaining chip
By Eric Edholm
Jan. 9, 2009

The Redskins are back in a familiar position. A year after having an unusual offseason with almost no free-agent activity and 10 draft picks, the team will be forced to trim some aged and expensive talent and currently has only four draft picks with which to work. The Redskins have first-, third-, fifth- and sixth-round picks, having traded away their second-, fourth- and seventh-round picks in separate deals for Jason Taylor, Pete Kendall and Erasmus James. The team wants to add picks and might have the depth at cornerback to make a trade. The most likely to go? Believe it or not, Carlos Rogers. Through the first part of the season, Rogers was playing at a Pro Bowl level, but he fell off and eventually was demoted to playing nine defensive snaps in the loss to the Bengals. The club would like to work out a long-term deal with free-agent-to-be DeAngelo Hall, and not Rogers — whose deal has one year remaining — and could use him as trade bait. One estimated guess at Rogers’ value: a second-round pick, which would offset the draft-pick shortage somewhat.

So do you think that we would trade him for a second rounder?

[MTK]

If we can get a 2nd for Rogers I say take that deal and run. I'm just not sure there will be a taker for that high of a pick but we'll see.

[dmek25]

what sense does it make to trade Rogers? he is young, and is a pretty damn good corner. there is no guarantee what you get when you draft someone. with Rogers, you already know what you have

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If we can get a 2nd for Rogers I say take that deal and run. I'm just not sure there will be a taker for that high of a pick but we'll see.

If Rogers was 30, and Moss was 26, I'd probably agree with you, but I think we need a few more years of Rogers, while Moss probably has already seen his best years.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by dmek25

what sense does it make to trade Rogers? he is young, and is a pretty damn good corner. there is no guarantee what you get when you draft someone. with Rogers, you already know what you have

none
creating a hole just to fill a hole

[WaldSkins]

Do you think we are going to resign him next year when his contract is up? We will most likely let him walk. So we mite as well trade him this year so we can try to get some value out of him.


If we were going to resign him, then id be all for it. But, i highly doubt we are so we gotta get value for him.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Do you think we are going to resign him next year when his contract is up? We will most likely let him walk. So we mite as well trade him this year so we can try to get some value out of him.


If we were going to resign him, then id be all for it. But, i highly doubt we are so we gotta get value for him.

From what I've been reading he won't walk but run when his contracts up. He clearly stated he is a starter and many teams would give there right arm for him.

Really will hate to see him go if he does

[MTK]

I would have mixed feelings to see Rogers go. He really picked up his play this year and finally seemed to be "getting it". On the other hand he still has hands of stone and that's a pretty significant issue. His inability to create game changing turnovers is whats holding him back from being an elite corner.

[44ever]

^^^ you're right about that Matty but his stregnth is his ability to cover big name recievers. But I see your point.

[WaldSkins]

Id be ok with Rogers starting opposite of Hall for the next 5-6 years. With an improved D-line this defense could become better.

[GTripp0012]

I'd also say a high second for CR is a different ballgame than a mid or low second. But what team picking in the first ten picks of the draft is looking for a Carlos Rogers like player to complete their roster?

There's just no way we get a deal worth trading him.

I also happen to think we're overblowing the hands thing. He's dropped two real game changing plays in his career: that one in the 2005 divisional round, and the one in the Pittsburgh game this year, but he's got 3 INT in 23 games since 2007, and one of those picks went to the house. All three of them came with considerable return yards.

So yeah, he's definately going to drop some INTs in the future, but for a guy who plays defense for a reason, I think he catches an acceptable amount.