JLC: Rogers, Possibly on the Way Out

onlydarksets · 12-30-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

That was Springs that was locked on Owens vs. Dallas & against Arizona Fitzgerald had 100+ yds. The Saints were without their top WR in Colston so who did he shut down?

I love hearing good things about Skins players, when they are accurate.

Springs locked Owens up in the first half, gave up a TD to Owens on the first possession of the second half, and then left the game. Los shut Owens down for the rest of the game.
No Matter His Age, Springs Has Impact - washingtonpost.com

And Doughty got burned by Fitz, not Rogers. Los had a great game against the Cards (including holding on to an INT).
A Tie Game after Three - Redskins Insider

I think letting Rogers go is a mistake, unless he is seeking Champ $$, and we have no choice.

Defensewins · 12-30-2008, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Rogers is definitely not worth top dollar. So yes you can't blame the Redskins for throwing a line out there to see what other teams may be willing to give up. I say if someone bites with a 3rd rounder go for it.

Rogers is worth more than a 3rd rounder.
How many great players have we drafted in the 3rd round?
Are you serious?

GMScud · 12-30-2008, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

Don't ignore the 'Champ Bailey' factor here also. Rogers is looking for a very lucrative contract when his expires next year. He feels like he is a top CB, "There are a lot of teams that would give their right arm for me." Someone is going to pay him #1 elite CB money next offseason when we all know he's not that good. We're not going to pay him that kind of money so why not get some value (2nd or 3rd round pick) this offseason? With a large number of FA corners this offseason it's going to be a buyers market, we can replace what Rogers brings (decent #2 CB) at a much cheaper rate over the next 5 years and get an additional pick as well.

I'm not sure why this is similar to Champ's situation. We offered him a big extension, and he simply didn't want to play for the Redskins anymore. Can't really blame him since we had just finished up with the joke Spurrier era. We did the next best thing and traded him for Portis, which has worked out pretty well I'd say. If we offered Carlos Rogers anywhere close to the money we offered Champ, he'd be a moron not to take it.

Paintrain · 12-30-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

I'm not sure why this is similar to Champ's situation. We offered him a big extension, and he simply didn't want to play for the Redskins anymore. Can't really blame him since we had just finished up with the joke Spurrier era. We did the next best thing and traded him for Portis, which has worked out pretty well I'd say. If we offered Carlos Rogers anywhere close to the money we offered Champ, he'd be a moron not to take it.

The parallel is the inability to agree to contract terms. Rogers thinks he is an elite corner and is going to demand elite money, especially if Hall gets a nice extension. Rogers isn't an elite CB so we risk losing him and getting nothing in return next year, therefore it's better to trade him now and get something rather than lose him next year with no compensation.

MTK · 12-30-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

Rogers is worth more than a 3rd rounder.
How many great players have we drafted in the 3rd round?
Are you serious?

That's how trading works in the NFL, you rarely get what a player is worth.

Do you think there's a team out there willing to part with a 1st or 2nd rounder for Rogers?? Good luck with that.

We'd be lucky to snag a 3rd.

BrunellMVP? · 12-30-2008, 01:22 PM

bryan (cumberland, Md.): Jason Taylor, Brett Farve do you see either returning next year ?

Matt Mosley: (12:15 PM ET ) Taylor's not going back to Washington. I'm pretty certain about that. I bet he'll retire. Favre will drag this out and make a big production -- like he always does.

Miller101 · 12-30-2008, 01:55 PM

I don't buy into this. JLC likes to create drama. He always says that he has a 'source' on the inside. Most of the time that 'source' goes unnamed. And most of the time it comes up bullcrud. Like that Mark Brunnell trade, for example.

If Rogers think he's an elite corner. He needs to learn how to catch a football before he can get paid like one. I mean, he can't even catch a nerf football! And Nerf footballs, as soft as they are, they just fall right into your hands!

Hopefully, Rogers can prove that he can catch next year, so we can overpay him. Hopefully, the next time we're leading the Pittsburgh Steelers 6-zip Rogers will be able to CATCH and then run it in for a quick six. Hopefully, when our team needs a spark and Eli Manning hits him in the chest twice (I think Eli was color blind that game) Rogers will be able to CATCH and make that spark! Then he will get paid.

But what JLC is saying now is just bullcrud! But, it does give me something to talk about, when I should be working, so I can't complain too much.

BigHairedAristocrat · 12-30-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

I keep hearing people suggest Chris Gamble around here. For the record, he has recently signed a lucrative extension in Carolina that makes him a Panther until 2014.

thanks for the update. I wasnt aware of that.

tryfuhl · 12-30-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by EternalEnigma21

carlos is a great cb. he may not have hands but our pass D went downhill when he got demoted. retarded.

Exactly, I'd rather not catch interceptions than to allow touchdowns. Granted los got beat a couple times in he 2nd half of the season in his newish role, it happens to every corner.

I'd like to see Hall resigned, but I'm not sure he's the best bet in covering #1 receivers. I guess that's a great shot to get interceptions as the QB will take more risks going to #1, but if the CB also takes more risks, that could be disastrous.

Rogers is definitely our best CB. If we intend on keeping him I'd tell him early and let him know that his hands need to get better in the offseason. Of course he's entering a contract year after next, so he might not have the incentive to do it for us, and will be a free agent rather than trade bait, unless we franchised him.

tryfuhl · 12-30-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I have a real problem with the way Blache coaches his side of the ball. Basically, he plays favorites. That's bad high school coach crap.

Didn't Blache learn that FROM Williams?

tryfuhl · 12-30-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

We are stuck again trying to improve our team through free agency and trades, because we traded poorly in the past. We never learn. Here we are again, people planning all of these trades. We need to be patient and build through the draft. We have been on the losing end on most trades lately.

most people are talking about trading for picks

Defensewins · 12-30-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tryfuhl

most people are talking about trading for picks

Not talking much value here.
Give up on a young, talented CB in the prime of his career.....for a 3rd round pick? I would not do it.
We should not panic to get draft picks.
Our FO paniced and made the mistake of trading for Jason Taylor. When it turned out we would have been just fine with out him.
Now they want to panic again and make another stupid trade.
What are those guys smoking.

For those suddenly selective money conscious folks: How about cutting Jason Taylor and his $8m a year salary and sign Carlos Rogers and Dante Hall. We would be set at CB for 4 to 5 years.

cpayne5 · 12-30-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

Not talking much value here.
Give up on a young, talented CB in the prime of his career.....for a 3rd round pick? I would not do it.
We should not panic to get draft picks.
Our FO paniced and made the mistake of trading for Jason Taylor. When it turned out we would have been just fine with out him.
Now they want to panic again and make another stupid trade.
What are those guys smoking.

For those suddenly selective money conscious folks: How about cutting Jason Taylor and his $8m a year salary and sign Carlos Rogers and Dante Hall. We would be set at CB for 4 to 5 years.

I agree 100% with you on this.

BrunellMVP? · 12-30-2008, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cpayne5

I agree 100% with you on this.

right, let him play out the contract, and don't you get compensatory picks when your FAs are signed anyway? If he gets a big contract, won't we get something?

GTripp0012 · 12-30-2008, 05:39 PM

The other thing that isn't being mentioned is that, unless the owners agree to a new deal with the union, Carlos Rogers doesn't actually hit the market after this year. Sure, his contract with us expires, but he's only going to have 5 professional seasons, meaning that we still hold his rights through restricted free agency.

Just because Jason LaCanfora doesn't realize this doesn't mean it's not true. Rogers is not going anywhere.

12-30-2008, 01:22 PM	#66
BrunellMVP? Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 726	Re: JLC: Rogers, Possibly on the Way Out bryan (cumberland, Md.): Jason Taylor, Brett Farve do you see either returning next year ? Matt Mosley: (12:15 PM ET ) Taylor's not going back to Washington. I'm pretty certain about that. I bet he'll retire. Favre will drag this out and make a big production -- like he always does. __________________ in writing these daily letters and trying to make them interesting it is always possible that some sentiment may occur which has not received the severe and deliberate scrutiny and reconsideration which should attach to a State Paper. - Churchill

12-30-2008, 01:55 PM	#67
Miller101 Special Teams Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 362	Re: JLC: Rogers, Possibly on the Way Out I don't buy into this. JLC likes to create drama. He always says that he has a 'source' on the inside. Most of the time that 'source' goes unnamed. And most of the time it comes up bullcrud. Like that Mark Brunnell trade, for example. If Rogers think he's an elite corner. He needs to learn how to catch a football before he can get paid like one. I mean, he can't even catch a nerf football! And Nerf footballs, as soft as they are, they just fall right into your hands! Hopefully, Rogers can prove that he can catch next year, so we can overpay him. Hopefully, the next time we're leading the Pittsburgh Steelers 6-zip Rogers will be able to CATCH and then run it in for a quick six. Hopefully, when our team needs a spark and Eli Manning hits him in the chest twice (I think Eli was color blind that game) Rogers will be able to CATCH and make that spark! Then he will get paid. But what JLC is saying now is just bullcrud! But, it does give me something to talk about, when I should be working, so I can't complain too much. __________________ "And the Redskins went down there and manhandled them and they basically undressed them and now everybody's been lining up to get a piece of them." - John Riggins on the last game we played in Texas Stadium

12-30-2008, 05:39 PM	#75
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: JLC: Rogers, Possibly on the Way Out The other thing that isn't being mentioned is that, unless the owners agree to a new deal with the union, Carlos Rogers doesn't actually hit the market after this year. Sure, his contract with us expires, but he's only going to have 5 professional seasons, meaning that we still hold his rights through restricted free agency. Just because Jason LaCanfora doesn't realize this doesn't mean it's not true. Rogers is not going anywhere. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

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