There's No Quarterback Controversy

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by charlielyons

campbell gets a media pass, just like Michael Vick, Donavan McNabb....no offense to anyone but black quarterbacks get a pass cause everyone wants to see one be sucessful.

Rush? Is that you?

[hooskins]

That is racist, ignorant at best.

What about Culpepper, Leftwich, Tony Banks, Brooks, etc.? They've lost jobs really quick when things went sour. It had nothing to do with a media pass, if anything the media was all over them.

But yea I see how it easy to ignore those.

[charlielyons]

Originally Posted by hooskins

That is racist, ignorant at best.

What about Culpepper, Leftwich, Tony Banks, Brooks, etc.? They've lost jobs really quick when things went sour. It had nothing to do with a media pass, if anything the media was all over them.

But yea I see how it easy to ignore those.

Not racist at all.....Aaron Brooks was allowed to be mediocre for years..Leftwich was the same......A little more time is given.....Eli was being thrown to the dumpster by critics last year.......The media wants a successful black quarterback, if its not why is it such a big deal Doug Williams was the first back QB to win a super bowl.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by charlielyons

Not racist at all.....Aaron Brooks was allowed to be mediocre for years..Leftwich was the same......A little more time is given.....Eli was being thrown to the dumpster by critics last year.......The media wants a successful black quarterback, if its not why is it such a big deal Doug Williams was the first back QB to win a super bowl.

Brooks had some great years in NO, Leftwich was benched even when people said he was ok, so I dont know what you are talking about.

Also maybe the media reflects society(just a crazy idea), and the American people where happy barriers were broken so a black QB could win a SB. Maybe you weren't too thrilled but the rest of America was pleased to see that.

But no I guess media is a just a bunch of liberal loonies.....

[MTK]

Originally Posted by charlielyons

Not racist at all.....Aaron Brooks was allowed to be mediocre for years..Leftwich was the same......A little more time is given.....Eli was being thrown to the dumpster by critics last year.......The media wants a successful black quarterback, if its not why is it such a big deal Doug Williams was the first back QB to win a super bowl.

Because he was the first. It's the same reason why Obama being elected is a big deal.

I don't buy this garbage that the media wants a successful black QB, there are plenty of them already.

[hooskins]

how about Ramsey, a white QB who got a ton of time here even though he sucked. Seriously dont give me this bull, there are soo many white QBs who get 2nd chances. It's really case by case, but I doubt I can convince you that if you would even mention something like this..

[MTK]

Originally Posted by charlielyons

campbell gets a media pass, just like Michael Vick, Donavan McNabb....no offense to anyone but black quarterbacks get a pass cause everyone wants to see one be sucessful.

He gets "a pass" because rational people can see he shouldn't be taking all the blame that he is, and he certainly hasn't played himself out of a job. And basically benching him at this point is seriously retarded.

[A10sROCK]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

It's funny, I have yet to hear a columnist, former or current Redskin, league observer, etc. call for Campbell to be benched. It's telling that the only people who are calling for his head are fans.

This is a good point, however the only person that JC has to impress is Zorn. If Zorn thinks JC has the skills to be our long-term QB, then he will keep playing him through this year and next.

I think the calls for a QB change are premature. He's earned the chance to prove himself for this entire season.

However, those that say he should get ALL of next season are wrong also. No QB gets five seasons to showcase their talents. If the team did that and then had to release Jason, then we'd enter the 2010 season with no idea of our QB situation.

If JC can't improve his overall QB rating into the 90 or above range (elite QB range) by the end of this season, the QB controversy will increase starting next pre-season.

[charlielyons]

Originally Posted by hooskins

how about Ramsey, a white QB who got a ton of time here even though he sucked. Seriously dont give me this bull, there are soo many white QBs who get 2nd chances. It's really case by case, but I doubt I can convince you that if you would even mention something like this..

First of all, i am black....second ramsey the same guy who got taken out after 1 game by gibbs. The media loves to mention race in any form they can. racism is created by the media....the blow it out of the water....minority coaches, quarterbacks......all im saying is you will not here alot of media screaming to take out campbell(they try to remain as PC as possible)

[MTK]

It's got nothing to do with skin color. This is just getting ridiculous.

[A10sROCK]

Originally Posted by hooskins

how about Ramsey, a white QB who got a ton of time here even though he sucked. Seriously dont give me this bull, there are soo many white QBs who get 2nd chances. It's really case by case, but I doubt I can convince you that if you would even mention something like this..

Ramsey got 27 games.

Jason is on game #33 or so. However, Jason has shown more potential than Ramsey ever did. That's why the team will continue him as the starting QB throughout this season. By next season though the calls for other QBs to start will increase.

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by charlielyons

First of all, i am black....second ramsey the same guy who got taken out after 1 game by gibbs. The media loves to mention race in any form they can. racism is created by the media....the blow it out of the water....minority coaches, quarterbacks......all im saying is you will not here alot of media screaming to take out campbell(they try to remain as PC as possible)

So being black is an excuse for horribly ignorant comments? I don't see your point.

Are you saying if Ramsey was black, Gibbs would have kept him in the game? I'm not even going to tell you why the media hasn't called for Campbell's head, because it's in plain sight all over this website.

[maroonandblack30]

Ramsey got hosed by Gibbs. He looked promising in 03 and 04. Gibbs wanted to play his boyfriend Brunnel. Ramsey never got a fair chance.

This is only JC's 2nd full season, first with Zorn. Unless he starts regressing I don't think sticking with him for another 2 seasons before you make a judgement is absurd.

Look at M. Hasseback, Eli...both took time to develope.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by charlielyons

First of all, i am black....second ramsey the same guy who got taken out after 1 game by gibbs. The media loves to mention race in any form they can. racism is created by the media....the blow it out of the water....minority coaches, quarterbacks......all im saying is you will not here alot of media screaming to take out campbell(they try to remain as PC as possible)

That is one of the weakest arguments I've ever heard. No one gives a sh*t about his skin color.

Have you seen the way Donovan McNabb gets treated?? Philly media and fans call for his head after every underthrown pass. Then the ESPN's of the world take the local stuff and give it national attention. "Will McNabb be traded? Is he done in Philly" has been said at least once a year for the past few seasons. He's been that team's #1 scapegoat since he was booed on draft day.

That example alone craps all over the race argument.

[A10sROCK]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

Ramsey got hosed by Gibbs. He looked promising in 03 and 04. Gibbs wanted to play his boyfriend Brunnel. Ramsey never got a fair chance.

This is only JC's 2nd full season, first with Zorn. Unless he starts regressing I don't think sticking with him for another 2 seasons before you make a judgement is absurd.

Look at M. Hasseback, Eli...both took time to develope.

Not to go off-topic, but my only question regarding Ramsey is this:

if he was so good and was unfairly dumped by a HOF coach then why didn't he succeed when he went to other teams?

Campbell's QB rating HAS been dropping this second half of the season - just like it did last year. He has been let down by his WR, OL, etc. He's got this season; after that his position as starter will be more tenuous.