Should We Go After Another QB in Offseason

[GoSkins!]

Think about what Ramsey was looking like at this point last year. Before the defenses totally figured out the system and got hurt he was having a great passing year. Now you guys are looking at a guy who is looks good only half way through this year as his potential replacement?

[joecrisp]

Absolutely not.

Brunell's cap hit is too big for the next three years, and Gibbs has been through too much crap for the Brunell trade and keeping Ramsey on the bench (to groom him for when his time comes-- and it will come) to go through that again with another young quarterback that he won't be comfortable with as a starter next season.

If you think Gibbs is enduring too much criticism now for the whole Brunell debacle, imagine how much more intense that criticism will become if he makes a move to acquire another young-- and expensive-- quarterback who will have to spend another season being groomed while Brunell continues to start.

If you believe that Gibbs' word is bond and his decisions are above reproach-- which is the mantra I've been hearing from a lot of folks through this whole mess-- then why would Gibbs say that Patrick Ramsey is the future of the Redskins franchise (and he has said that more than once, and in the not-so-distant past), if he isn't indeed the future of the Redskins franchise?

If you think Gibbs is just saying that because "it's the right thing to say right now," then I guess he's just blowing smoke up our collective butt about how Brunell's "fighting his guts out" and "is the best chance for this team to win right now" too, isn't he?

[EEich]

I think that Joe believed his statement to be true when he made it. But from the sounds of it, his opinion of Ramsey may have changed for the worse over the course of camp and the season so far. There were reports of him thinking Ramsey was too cocky and not practising well. I love Joe, but I don't believe that he is going to keep his word to Patrick if he doesn't believe that he gives the Redskins their best chance to win.

Originally Posted by joecrisp

If you believe that Gibbs' word is bond and his decisions are above reproach-- which is the mantra I've been hearing from a lot of folks through this whole mess-- then why would Gibbs say that Patrick Ramsey is the future of the Redskins franchise (and he has said that more than once, and in the not-so-distant past), if he isn't indeed the future of the Redskins franchise?

If you think Gibbs is just saying that because "it's the right thing to say right now," then I guess he's just blowing smoke up our collective butt about how Brunell's "fighting his guts out" and "is the best chance for this team to win right now" too, isn't he?

[MTK]

Bringing in yet another new QB is only going to stunt the growth and development of the foundation of the team that is trying to be established this season.

I really don't see Gibbs staying past his 5-year committment, so year 2 and 3 are critical years. I believe the team needs to take serious strides forward in those years, bringing a new QB in to the mix isn't going to help. Not when we've seen the way our QB's have struggled in learning the system this year.

[EEich]

We have consistency now... it's just not the kind of consistency we're looking for. 3 of the last 4 games under 100 yds passing. I'd sacrafice consistency right now for sporadic positive performance.

Originally Posted by bedlamVR

We need consistancy Manning, Farve, Caulpeper, McNabb, McNair all have one thing in common... consistancy. Ramsey has the tools to be a great QB but they nearly got beaten out of him running the collage system he was in the last two years. Ramsey is learning more on the side lines than he could durring the game and okay he is running the scout team in practice but he is still running the Gibbs offence. A confident Ramsey in my mind is better than the unknown of a Drew Brees in a contract year.

[SKINSnCANES]

we cant afford another qb so lets hope that brunell steps up, or Ramsey is learning a ton by sitting out this year.

[joecrisp]

Originally Posted by EEich

I think that Joe believed his statement to be true when he made it. But from the sounds of it, his opinion of Ramsey may have changed for the worse over the course of camp and the season so far. There were reports of him thinking Ramsey was too cocky and not practising well. I love Joe, but I don't believe that he is going to keep his word to Patrick if he doesn't believe that he gives the Redskins their best chance to win.

I posted this quote in a similar thread (what's the official count on Brunell vs. Ramsey threads up to now?:cheeky-sm ), but I think it bears repeating here:

The Washington Post, November 6th

Originally Posted by The Washington Post

Ramsey has impressed the coaches by increasing his knowledge of the system despite his limited role, Gibbs said, and he has looked good running the opposition's plays with the scout team.

"Is it ideal for him? No," Gibbs said of Ramsey. "Would you like to get him some reps in practice, yeah. But if you do that, I've found, you're taking a 10 percent thing and trying to project and you're going to take away [snaps] in practice every week, and you really can't do that to the starter. He's been great as far as attitude and everything, he's been terrific, and those guys are always one play away. It's a tough thing to go through, but that's part of the quarterback position."

Ramsey is not the starter because he didn't outplay Brunell in the preseason games, and Gibbs named Brunell the regular season starter because of Gibbs's higher comfort level with more experienced quarterbacks. Since Brunell was named the starter, Ramsey has had scant opportunity to prove himself on the field (outside of the two quarters against New York, when he came in to relieve an injured Brunell and overcome a 13-point deficit, and struggled-- which undoubtedly had at least a little to do with his lack of practice reps leading up to the game), and that is why Gibbs is reluctant to play Ramsey-- he has a known on-the-field quantity in Brunell, even if that quantity is not impressive. Otherwise, Gibbs has given every indication that Ramsey is doing everything he needs to do in the classroom, on the sidelines, and with the limited opportunities he has in practice.

Although I disagree with Gibbs's decision to continue starting Brunell, I have every confidence that his reluctance to play Ramsey is motivated by a desire to set up Ramsey for future success with this team, rather than an indication that his future lies elsewhere. Gibbs will not play Ramsey this season unless Brunell is injured (no, not even if the Redskins are mathematically eliminated from playoff contention-- Gibbs doesn't believe in that "let's get ready for next year" philosophy), and he will wait until next year's minicamps and training camp practices-- where Ramsey will get more practice reps-- to see if Ramsey is ready to apply on the field all that he has learned in the classroom, and is clearly the best choice at quarterback to win games for the Redskins next season.

Until that time, Gibbs will only give this team and its fans two options-- Brunell or bust.

[BleedBurgundy]

I think that Brees will be a successful NFL quarterback. He did a great job at Purdue. He was never a blue chip prospect and I don't see him lighting up teams ala Peyton but I do believe he can be a solid, dependable qb on a good team. That said, I think we're good with Ramsey, always have. If Brees has shown anything, it's that a struggling qb, given time, can begin to flourish once he's comfortable in a system. (and Marty Ball isn't exactly the greatest show on turf) I believe we should soon give PR the keys and see what he does with them. Practice is great and a fundamental part of the game. BUT there are such things as gamers and until we put PR out there with the first team, with the bullets flying, so to speak, for a whole game with the first team offense and not starting out 2 scores down and his back against the wall like in the Giants game- we won't REALLY know anything. (Now that's a run-on sentence kids, in case you were wondering.)

[VTSkins897]

the problem with the 'skins over the past few years, which oddly enough coincide with snyder's tenure is that there is no team chemistry. we've proved each and every year that you can't just plop the all-madden team in (or in brunell's case the one from '98) and expect to win the super bowl. do what the eagles and pats do and use what you got. obviously some improvements are necessary but i think ramsey is a gamer and can definitely carry this team. so let's use our crew!

[joecrisp]

Originally Posted by me

Gibbs will not play Ramsey this season unless Brunell is injured (no, not even if the Redskins are mathematically eliminated from playoff contention-- Gibbs doesn't believe in that "let's get ready for next year" philosophy), and he will wait until next year's minicamps and training camp practices-- where Ramsey will get more practice reps-- to see if Ramsey is ready to apply on the field all that he has learned in the classroom, and is clearly the best choice at quarterback to win games for the Redskins next season.

Until that time, Gibbs will only give this team and its fans two options-- Brunell or bust.

Alright, since no one else has jumped on this golden opportunity to stuff my foot firmly in my mouth, I'll do it for myself.

Just when I thought I had Gibbs figured out, he goes and puts Ramsey in the game!

Here's hoping he continues to prove me wrong, and lets Ramsey practice as the starter for at least this week.

[SkinsRock]

No new QB in the off-season....unless it's a mid to late round draft pick "project" to develop to be Ramsey's back-up in 2-3 years.

[joecrisp]

Originally Posted by SkinsRock

No new QB in the off-season....unless it's a mid to late round draft pick "project" to develop to be Ramsey's back-up in 2-3 years.

I agree. Unless Ramsey is so bad that Gibbs has to go to Hasselbeck this season, I can't foresee him looking to throw more money at another veteran quarterback this offseason. He will do the right thing and give Ramsey another offseason to develop in the system. I wouldn't be surprised if he took a quarterback in the mid-rounds next spring to groom as Ramsey's backup and keep on the practice squad until he can compete with Hasselbeck/Brunell for the 2nd and 3rd QB spot.

[JoeRedskin]

Bring Back Gibran!!!

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Bring Back Gibran!!!

You've got to be joking..

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

You've got to be joking..

Ummmm, yes. :cheeky-sm