Bugel asks Ramsey to show something

MTK · 11-12-2004, 09:19 AM

I was reading on another board this morning that on WTEM they played a clip of Bugel asking Ramsey to show something, implying that he's not practicing hard and that's part of the reason Gibbs hasn't gone to him.

Did anyone else hear this? Is this the correct interpretation of the quote?

I've always thought of Ramsey as a hard worker, I really hope this isn't true but at this point I wouldn't be surprised.

There seems to be some underlying factors we don't know or understand that could explain why Gibbs seems to be shunning Ramsey.

Krills · 11-12-2004, 09:23 AM

I haven't heard that. Like you, I thought Ramsey has a good work ethic. I do think Brunell won the job in the preseason, so maybe Ramsey is still struggling in weekly practice. That sure would explain alot. "Come on Ram, tighten up. We need you in there."

skins009 · 11-12-2004, 09:29 AM

I think there are a couple of factors with Ramsey right now. First Gibbs probably still has a bad tast in his mouth from the Giants game. Even a couple of the picks weren't his fault, he def. shouldn't his inexperience. Second Gibbs always stays loyal to his vets. Lets not forget that GIbbs and brunnel are buddy buddy, they got the whole religion thing in common and other stuff. ANd third and most importantly, this is Ramsey's first time in a NFL offense. I'm sure there has been some things that Ramsey had been slow to pick up on. He needs time. But he also needs experience.

skins009 · 11-12-2004, 09:31 AM

I still believe though we got nothing to lose now, if i were coach I would wait a couple of more weeks, just so Ramsey has more time to learn. Get the Stealers and Eages out of the way and then put him in. Brunnel is clearly not gonna take us to the promise land, so lets hand it over to the guy that can.

Redskins_P · 11-12-2004, 09:35 AM

Yeah, I saw it live on the News. He said something like this: "If you ask me to say one thing to Ramsey it would be step up and show us something in practice. Prove to us that you want to step up and play". That's probably not accurate but it was something like that.

Kinda makes you wonder how bad does Ramsey look at practice? Hopefully he heard it and will step up.

MTK · 11-12-2004, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Redskins_P

Yeah, I saw it live on the News. He said something like this: "If you ask me to say one thing to Ramsey it would be step up and show us something in practice. Prove to us that you want to step up and play". That's probably not accurate but it was something like that.

Kinda makes you wonder how bad does Ramsey look at practice? Hopefully he heard it and will step up.

Well, at least this helps shine some light on the situation.

Sounds like Bugel is basically telling him the job is right there for the taking if he would just step up.

joecrisp · 11-12-2004, 10:14 AM

I didn't hear or see Bugel make those statements, but by several accounts from those who did, Bugel called out Brunell as well. From the sound of it, Buges was basically saying that he wants Ramsey to do something special in practice to show that he should be the starter. Unfortunately, Ramsey gets very few, if any, reps with the first team offense (which has been documented by the Post and the Times, and acknowledged by Gibbs), and the reps he does get are mostly with the scout team, playing against the starting defense. Last I read, Gibbs was saying that Ramsey does a fine job with the scout team offense:

The Washington Post, November 6th

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Originally Posted by The Washington Post

Brunell takes virtually all of the snaps in practices and is the focal point of game plans each week, while Ramsey is largely a spectator trying to learn through observation and in meetings; there are no plans to allot more snaps to the backup. Ramsey has impressed the coaches by increasing his knowledge of the system despite his limited role, Gibbs said, and he has looked good running the opposition's plays with the scout team.

"Is it ideal for him? No," Gibbs said of Ramsey. "Would you like to get him some reps in practice, yeah. But if you do that, I've found, you're taking a 10 percent thing and trying to project and you're going to take away [snaps] in practice every week, and you really can't do that to the starter. He's been great as far as attitude and everything, he's been terrific, and those guys are always one play away. It's a tough thing to go through, but that's part of the quarterback position."

MTK · 11-12-2004, 10:16 AM

Maybe it has more to do with just what he's doing on the practice field. Maybe it's also about his work ethic off the field, in the film room, etc.

joecrisp · 11-12-2004, 10:24 AM

Again, Gibbs said he has been impressed with Ramsey's increasing knowledge of the system despite his limited role. To me, that says he's doing all the off-the-field, classroom stuff that he needs to do. Ramsey's a smart guy, and by all accounts, an excellent student with great classroom and study habits. Again, from what Buges apparently said, he was indicating that he wanted Ramsey to do something in practice-- he wanted to see a physical manifestation of Ramsey's improvement-- but no one can argue that Ramsey's opportunities to do so aren't limited at best.

Gmanc711 · 11-12-2004, 11:14 AM

The thing I dont understand, is if you want Ramsey to show you somthing, then why are there these reports that hes getting little to ZERO snaps in practice. I mean I'm not there, so I dont know for sure. However, if hes not getting the snaps, how do you expect him to show you somthing against the #1 defense in the league, with the scout team??

ChounsMan · 11-12-2004, 11:51 AM

At this point I'm sticking with Brunell. We need this team to hold together for the up & coming games....

MTK · 11-12-2004, 11:53 AM

Who knows what Bugel is talking about exactly, I guess the message is he wants him to make the most of every opportunity he gets. He must not be doing something right if Bugel is asking him to step up.

gortiz · 11-12-2004, 11:53 AM

I think Ramsey really blew it when he came in the Giants game, but lets not forget, he didn't look good at all in preseason. He had a good chance to come in and win the game, not just play well, but win it, and he gave the thing away.

I'm sure he has not look good in the opportunities he has had in practice. I am firm believer that if Ramsey gave us a better chance to win, Gibbs would put him....how can anyone argue that???

Gmanc711 · 11-12-2004, 12:40 PM

I dont know, this is such a hard scenerio to speculate about, because we dont see practice. All I can go off of is what I have seen from Ramsey in the past, which I was very impressed by and what I have seen from Brunell this year which has been horrid. I dont know, its all pure speculation, I should sneak into Redskins park and see whats really going on.

Skins fan 44 · 11-12-2004, 12:45 PM

It almost seem that Ramsey is content with being a back up QB. Not knowing the full story but even though he may not be with the starting O in practice he would be with them as is the rest of the O in drills such as 7 on 7, QB drills or whatever, that would give him a chance to show something.

11-12-2004, 09:23 AM	#2
Krills Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Chesapeake, VA Age: 44 Posts: 123	That's news to me I haven't heard that. Like you, I thought Ramsey has a good work ethic. I do think Brunell won the job in the preseason, so maybe Ramsey is still struggling in weekly practice. That sure would explain alot. "Come on Ram, tighten up. We need you in there."

11-12-2004, 11:14 AM	#10
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	The thing I dont understand, is if you want Ramsey to show you somthing, then why are there these reports that hes getting little to ZERO snaps in practice. I mean I'm not there, so I dont know for sure. However, if hes not getting the snaps, how do you expect him to show you somthing against the #1 defense in the league, with the scout team?? __________________ #21

11-12-2004, 11:51 AM	#11
ChounsMan Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Connecticut Age: 54 Posts: 312	At this point I'm sticking with Brunell. We need this team to hold together for the up & coming games.... __________________ Throwing on 4th and inches..!

11-12-2004, 12:40 PM	#14
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	I dont know, this is such a hard scenerio to speculate about, because we dont see practice. All I can go off of is what I have seen from Ramsey in the past, which I was very impressed by and what I have seen from Brunell this year which has been horrid. I dont know, its all pure speculation, I should sneak into Redskins park and see whats really going on. __________________ #21

11-12-2004, 12:45 PM	#15
Skins fan 44 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brazil, IN Age: 54 Posts: 883	It almost seem that Ramsey is content with being a back up QB. Not knowing the full story but even though he may not be with the starting O in practice he would be with them as is the rest of the O in drills such as 7 on 7, QB drills or whatever, that would give him a chance to show something. __________________ HTTR!

11-12-2004, 09:19 AM	#1
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,741	Bugel asks Ramsey to show something I was reading on another board this morning that on WTEM they played a clip of Bugel asking Ramsey to show something, implying that he's not practicing hard and that's part of the reason Gibbs hasn't gone to him. Did anyone else hear this? Is this the correct interpretation of the quote? I've always thought of Ramsey as a hard worker, I really hope this isn't true but at this point I wouldn't be surprised. There seems to be some underlying factors we don't know or understand that could explain why Gibbs seems to be shunning Ramsey.

11-12-2004, 09:29 AM	#3
skins009 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 528	I think there are a couple of factors with Ramsey right now. First Gibbs probably still has a bad tast in his mouth from the Giants game. Even a couple of the picks weren't his fault, he def. shouldn't his inexperience. Second Gibbs always stays loyal to his vets. Lets not forget that GIbbs and brunnel are buddy buddy, they got the whole religion thing in common and other stuff. ANd third and most importantly, this is Ramsey's first time in a NFL offense. I'm sure there has been some things that Ramsey had been slow to pick up on. He needs time. But he also needs experience.

11-12-2004, 09:31 AM	#4
skins009 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 528	I still believe though we got nothing to lose now, if i were coach I would wait a couple of more weeks, just so Ramsey has more time to learn. Get the Stealers and Eages out of the way and then put him in. Brunnel is clearly not gonna take us to the promise land, so lets hand it over to the guy that can.

11-12-2004, 09:35 AM	#5
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 46 Posts: 4,101	Yeah, I saw it live on the News. He said something like this: "If you ask me to say one thing to Ramsey it would be step up and show us something in practice. Prove to us that you want to step up and play". That's probably not accurate but it was something like that. Kinda makes you wonder how bad does Ramsey look at practice? Hopefully he heard it and will step up.

11-12-2004, 10:16 AM	#8
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,741	Maybe it has more to do with just what he's doing on the practice field. Maybe it's also about his work ethic off the field, in the film room, etc.

11-12-2004, 10:24 AM	#9
joecrisp The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Charlottesville, VA Age: 49 Posts: 1,501	Again, Gibbs said he has been impressed with Ramsey's increasing knowledge of the system despite his limited role. To me, that says he's doing all the off-the-field, classroom stuff that he needs to do. Ramsey's a smart guy, and by all accounts, an excellent student with great classroom and study habits. Again, from what Buges apparently said, he was indicating that he wanted Ramsey to do something in practice-- he wanted to see a physical manifestation of Ramsey's improvement-- but no one can argue that Ramsey's opportunities to do so aren't limited at best.

11-12-2004, 11:53 AM	#12
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,741	Who knows what Bugel is talking about exactly, I guess the message is he wants him to make the most of every opportunity he gets. He must not be doing something right if Bugel is asking him to step up.

11-12-2004, 11:53 AM	#13
gortiz Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 498	I think Ramsey really blew it when he came in the Giants game, but lets not forget, he didn't look good at all in preseason. He had a good chance to come in and win the game, not just play well, but win it, and he gave the thing away. I'm sure he has not look good in the opportunities he has had in practice. I am firm believer that if Ramsey gave us a better chance to win, Gibbs would put him....how can anyone argue that???

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