Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Not sure why you are so hung up on what he did during his offseason but let's look at what he's done on the field. I think that speaks for itself.

The dancing thing is long over, he's going to show up ready to roll. He's always kept himself in great shape, there's a good reason why he's still such a high performer at his age.

I just think it's a selfish thing to do while your teammates are woking out. But like I said, I hope it works out.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

Well, when your team has only won ONE game all season long and is considered a laughing stock... then why not boost your career in any way that you can? Maybe it wasn't the best call, but it sure got him noticed and put his name on the map, and not just for his football. I really don't blame the guy.

I just feel Taylor is more concerned about his Hollywood career. Maybe I'm worng. Maybe playing on a 1-15 team will make you think about other things. I don't know. But I do know giving up a high draft pick for a guy that may play one more yeat isn't a smart thing to do. What if we go 5-11? Then what? He could just walk and the trade is a total bust. I guess I always think of the worse case scenario.

[Monkeydad]

I love the move. It was necessary with the loss of Daniels.

I believe he'll play out his contract and give us two years of double-digit sacks.

The last 3 years, he's had 12, 13.5 and 11 sacks. He has missed ONE game since the start of the 1998 season. He's reliable and his sack totals have gone up with experience, not down with age. People have criticized his techniques in this thread, but the numbers don't lie, he's a sack-monster...and was on a horrible team. With Andre Carter on the other end...his presence is going to help the team even if he doesn't get the sack himself. O-Lines can't double-team Taylor AND Carter.

Too bad they can't both wear #99...it would just add to the chaos for the opposing offenses.

He'll love the winning and won't want to quit. Of course he said he only wanted to play one more year, but that was when Parcells was running the show and the 'Phins were coming off a ONE-WIN season. Who wouldn't want out of that situation?

The move to a winning team and great organization will revitalize Jason Taylor and he'll want to stay as long as he can. That's my opinion, at least.

[irish]

Any Skins fan should know that the Skins do not worry about giving away draft picks and developing their own depth. Like I said in a previous post I wish they had a player they drafted ready to step in but its not how the Skins do things. I doubt this philosophy will change anytime soon.

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Here are my thoughts

1. We paid too much with a 2nd and a 6th....I dont know what that amounts too by draft points...but its probably close to a low 1st for 2 years max.

2. The other problem with giving up a 1st day pick is this....that was the pick we needed for a long term DE...yes, you can say we can do this with our 1st...but cmon....we need a CB and those go high...we also need DT and Oline pretty bad...not to mention LB's.

3. I am now concerned about running D...Daniels was no sack master...but he sure did well against the run....perhaps evans can help out but do you really want AC or JT on the bench?....what we need now is a STUD DT and a solid OLB to cover for Griffen and Rocky....to me...the needs just went up there.

4. Looking back a couple years, we had ZERO pass rushing...then we got AC...who initially looked weak.....now....we have 4 pass rushing specialists at the DE position (Carter, Taylor, Wilson, EJames, not to mention MWashington at LB)
This means our weakness is now stopping the run...we will have to do that with DT's and LB's almost exclusively....say what you want about Daniels...but he played DT and DE....and that is a great 2 for 1 deal...we still need to replace him.

5 This one really pisses me off.....our training staff.....last year we lost tons of guys for cramps and muscle pulls...injuries attributable to hydration and stretching.....NOW we lose 2 guys that arguably could have been avoided if they were loosened up more.
I dont blame the training staff....but...this is definately a trend that has not stopped which almost killed our season last year.

6 I love the fact that JT did that dancing thing....why? because he is flexible and has zero body fat...that means he's fit and unlikely to suffer bogus "freak" non contact injuries.

Even though the cons include a weaker run d and a loss of a very valuable 2nd rounder, I hesitantly approve due to the fact that there was NO ALTERNATIVE.
But I am still pissed at the training staff for sucking so bad.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Here are my thoughts

1. We paid too much with a 2nd and a 6th....I dont know what that amounts too by draft points...but its probably close to a low 1st for 2 years max.

2. The other problem with giving up a 1st day pick is this....that was the pick we needed for a long term DE...yes, you can say we can do this with our 1st...but cmon....we need a CB and those go high...we also need DT and Oline pretty bad...not to mention LB's.

3. I am now concerned about running D...Daniels was no sack master...but he sure did well against the run....perhaps evans can help out but do you really want AC or JT on the bench?....what we need now is a STUD DT and a solid OLB to cover for Griffen and Rocky....to me...the needs just went up there.

4. Looking back a couple years, we had ZERO pass rushing...then we got AC...who initially looked weak.....now....we have 4 pass rushing specialists at the DE position (Carter, Taylor, Wilson, EJames, not to mention MWashington at LB)
This means our weakness is now stopping the run...we will have to do that with DT's and LB's almost exclusively....say what you want about Daniels...but he played DT and DE....and that is a great 2 for 1 deal...we still need to replace him.

5 This one really pisses me off.....our training staff.....last year we lost tons of guys for cramps and muscle pulls...injuries attributable to hydration and stretching.....NOW we lose 2 guys that arguably could have been avoided if they were loosened up more.
I dont blame the training staff....but...this is definately a trend that has not stopped which almost killed our season last year.

6 I love the fact that JT did that dancing thing....why? because he is flexible and has zero body fat...that means he's fit and unlikely to suffer bogus "freak" non contact injuries.

Even though the cons include a weaker run d and a loss of a very valuable 2nd rounder, I hesitantly approve due to the fact that there was NO ALTERNATIVE.
But I am still pissed at the training staff for sucking so bad.

With a good season that #2 pick could be a mid to lower round 2nd. As for the 6th who cares, that's a toss in.

Daniels got tangled up and landed awkwardly on his knee... not sure what stretching could have done to avoid that. Shit like that happens all the time.

As for Buzbee I'm not sure how he got hurt exactly but again, I'm not sure what amount of stretching can do to prevent a blown out achilles.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

With a good season that #2 pick could be a mid to lower round 2nd. As for the 6th who cares, that's a toss in.

Daniels got tangled up and landed awkwardly on his knee... not sure what stretching could have done to avoid that. Shit like that happens all the time.

As for Buzbee I'm not sure how he got hurt exactly but again, I'm not sure what amount of stretching can do to prevent a blown out achilles.

Great points, I was about to respond with the same exact thing..

For all of the naysayers, what else would you have preferred the Redskins to do?

1. Go into the season with Demetric Evans as your starting DE? He's been in the league for 6 years, if he was a starting caliber player-he'd be starting!

2. Sign a street free agent? Simeon Rice is the best available, but there again, there's a reason why these guys are on the street in late July.

3. Wait for Erasmus James? This would be a bigger gamble than trading away picks. He's never been healthy and when he was healthy he wasn't a world beater. If he's able to add something to the defense, that's a bonus-but it would be irresponsible for the FO to count on that happening and wait to see how it played out.

I won't argue with those who say DE should have been addressed in the draft because there's nothing that can be done about it now.. We made the best move for our scenario, getting a better all around player who is 18 months YOUNGER than the player he replaced!

[J. Spanky]

with the addition of taylor, the steady improvement we've seen from montgomery and wilson, carter's consistency, griff's ability when healthy and (fingers crossed) the possibility of a healthy erasmus james, is it possible that the d-line could (gasp!) suddenly become the strength of our defense???

[XXVI]

Originally Posted by PIG#1

My Hat Is Off To Dan And Vin.it Just Goes To Show This Franchise Really Wants To Win And Win Badly.hail To The Redskins And Welcome Mr. Taylor To A Great Place To Play Football.in This Great Country Of Ours.

Dude, learn some grammar, and punctuation. Your posts are an english major's nightmare. It makes me laugh everytime. Why do you capitalize every word?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Great points, I was about to respond with the same exact thing..

For all of the naysayers, what else would you have preferred the Redskins to do?

1. Go into the season with Demetric Evans as your starting DE? He's been in the league for 6 years, if he was a starting caliber player-he'd be starting!

2. Sign a street free agent? Simeon Rice is the best available, but there again, there's a reason why these guys are on the street in late July.

3. Wait for Erasmus James? This would be a bigger gamble than trading away picks. He's never been healthy and when he was healthy he wasn't a world beater. If he's able to add something to the defense, that's a bonus-but it would be irresponsible for the FO to count on that happening and wait to see how it played out.

I won't argue with those who say DE should have been addressed in the draft because there's nothing that can be done about it now.. We made the best move for our scenario, getting a better all around player who is 18 months YOUNGER than the player he replaced!

I agree, there's nothing we can do to change the draft now so there's no sense in crying about it.

At least we had the cap room to pull this move off.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

1. Go into the season with Demetric Evans as your starting DE? He's been in the league for 6 years, if he was a starting caliber player-he'd be starting!

This one.

Where I come from, the concept of depth means that when your team sustains injuries, you turn over to your depth and ask them to play a bigger role for you.

The Redskins, on the other hand, turn to their depth and say, "Demetric, you know we like you and all, it's just that...we'd much rather forfeit the entire season than see you at LDE on opening night. Keep doing your thing, buddy."


Are you telling me that Demetric Evans isn't capable of being a decent two down player in the NFL? If that's the case, why have him on the roster at all?

I do hope the extra half (.5) to a full (1.0) win that Taylor delivers over Daniels this season is significant -- because it's probably going to cost us 2-3 wins from 2010 to 2012.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by J. Spanky

with the addition of taylor, the steady improvement we've seen from montgomery and wilson, carter's consistency, griff's ability when healthy and (fingers crossed) the possibility of a healthy erasmus james, is it possible that the d-line could (gasp!) suddenly become the strength of our defense???

The D-line was underrated last year. From a pass rushing point of view the line is definitely much improved now. JT isn't a slouch against the run either.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The D-line was underrated last year. From a pass rushing point of view the line is definitely much improved now. JT isn't a slouch against the run either.

Yes, yes he is. Pretty much has been his whole career.

Not lazy, or unwilling to improve. Just brutally ineffective.

[dcsportsfan1]

2 season ending injuries in the first day? Its called a warmup people... you know they are in shape so that can't be it. We got lucky by finding someone of this caliber so quickly. Jesus it took what like 2 hours?!? Just a few back and forths with Parcells and poof... JT. As always comcast sportsnet has a bunch of great videos following training camp and the trade.

[MTK]

So unless a backup is capable of starting he's of no use to a team?

There are guys on every team that aren't starting material but they fill critical roles. Evans is still going to fill an important role.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

This one.

Where I come from, the concept of depth means that when your team sustains injuries, you turn over to your depth and ask them to play a bigger role for you.

The Redskins, on the other hand, turn to their depth and say, "Demetric, you know we like you and all, it's just that...we'd much rather forfeit the entire season than see you at LDE on opening night. Keep doing your thing, buddy."


Are you telling me that Demetric Evans isn't capable of being a decent two down player in the NFL? If that's the case, why have him on the roster at all?

I do hope the extra half (.5) to a full (1.0) win that Taylor delivers over Daniels this season is significant -- because it's probably going to cost us 2-3 wins from 2010 to 2012.

My thoughts exactly. Why the hell is Evans even on the damn team in the first place? Just to be a back-up? I think we would've been just fine with Evans starting and then have James and Wilson back him up along with the 7th rounder Jackson in the mix.