Once Again Officials Take Control of the Game!!!

redrock-skins · 10-31-2004, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Winskins

Can anyone even somewhat explain what the officials could have possibly thrown that flag for?

Aparrently Thrash was still in motion when the ball snapped. I've seen the replay 10 times and still don't see it.

MTK · 10-31-2004, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Winskins

Can anyone even somewhat explain what the officials could have possibly thrown that flag for?

They said Thrash wasn't set before the snap.

I can see their point, kinda, I guess he wasn't "set" for a full second like you're supposed to be, but that kind of stuff happens all game long in every game around the league.

It was a really, really touchy call. Not that kind of call you want to see take points off the board that's for damn sure.

JWsleep · 10-31-2004, 11:44 PM

Can't really remember a call that was more painful as a skins fan. It was a mindblowing momentum swinging piece of bull sh**.

Unbelievable.

SmootSmack · 10-31-2004, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by offiss

I didn't see Brunell get injured, but I am tired of hearing Gibb's say he fought his gut's out, he's the only one not fighting his gut's out, and the rest of the team is taking it on the chin because of his incompetency, as far as Im concerned the only guy's that are fighting their gut's out are the guy's trying to win in spite of Brunell.

You bring up a very good point. A lot has been made of Gibbs' loyalty to his QBs, and that's all fine and good but as head coach Gibbs' chief loyalty should be to the team, not to any one individual player. How do you think it feels to be Lav Coles for example? Here's a guy who goes out there for every play with a hand that he can barely close because of a bad finger and a toe that needs surgery only to see passes sail over head. Then after the game he has to hear the coach say the people around Brunell have to step it up. I can't imagine he appreciates hearing that

SmootSmack · 10-31-2004, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

They said Thrash wasn't set before the snap.

I can see their point, kinda, I guess he wasn't "set" for a full second like you're supposed to be, but that kind of stuff happens all game long in every game around the league.

It was a really, really touchy call. Not that kind of call you want to see take points off the board that's for damn sure.

It really sucks that such a key moment of the game had to be decided by a rather irrelevant penalty. I mean this isn't pass interference, roughing the passer, or a blatant holding that we're talking about here

JWsleep · 10-31-2004, 11:57 PM

I agree smoot. Even if it did happen, it had NO bearing on the play, and it definetly is something that happens a lot. The ref should keep the flag in his pocket.

Gmanc711 · 11-01-2004, 12:00 AM

Think of it this way....

If they hadent thrown a flag, do you think Packer fan would be " Oh my god, take that TD back there was illegal motion. That guy wasent set , that guy wasent set. Illegal Motion, Illegal motion."

Somehow I dont think Packer fan would be doing that, maybe cause it was a rediculous penalty that had no bearing on the play. Really it wasetn even a penalty. God what a rediculous call.

Dana87 · 11-01-2004, 12:36 AM

Matty you're right on that one. I will admit Brunell missed a couple of passes today. But once again the line play was awful. The pass he missed to Cooley he didn't have time to plant and throw.

redrock-skins · 11-01-2004, 12:40 AM

Was the flag thrown immediately upon the snap?

offiss · 11-01-2004, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dana87

Matty you're right on that one. I will admit Brunell missed a couple of passes today. But once again the line play was awful. The pass he missed to Cooley he didn't have time to plant and throw.

I saw Brunell with quite a bit of time back there, he had a heck of lot more time than I have seen Ramsey have in 2 years under SS. No he didn't have much time to throw that ball to Cooley but he had enough, he over threw it not under threw it, all he had to do is under throw it and it was 6 point's, bottom line he can't hit wide open recievers when he has time, we can't expect him to hit guy's when he has little time, I do believe the announcers are also sending subtle hint's to Gibb's, they kept harping on how brunell keep's missing wide open recievers and how he's not getting the job done, for what that's worth?

FRPLG · 11-01-2004, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

They said Thrash wasn't set before the snap.

I can see their point, kinda, I guess he wasn't "set" for a full second like you're supposed to be, but that kind of stuff happens all game long in every game around the league.

It was a really, really touchy call. Not that kind of call you want to see take points off the board that's for damn sure.

Actually they said the RB was in motion toward the line of scrimage. Well, Portis wasn't moving at any time so first they blew who even did it and then when you look at the replay no one is moving towards the line. Thrash is the only motion guy so it has to be on him. When watching the replay he clearly walks the line of getting set but it is NOT an obvious penalty and I think I agree with the guy who asked whether the Pack would be complaining if the call wasn't made. I am sure we'd have never even heard about this.

Man I am so pissed off. I am glad we are are not hearing too much crap about how westill should have won if only we had played better. This is the damn NFL where the difference between the best team in the league and the worst is almost nothing. You can't be expected to play both the team ooposing team and the Refs. The refs for this game ought to be suspended for one game and made to publicly apologize for the call.

This is what pisses me off about Instant Replay. My feeling is that if anything is going to be reviewable then EVERYTHING should be reviewable. It makes no logical sense that we leave some calls up to the ref with other calls being reviewable. Explain to me why this play shouldn't be reviewable(versus why others are) and I will give you props.

MTK · 11-01-2004, 09:45 AM

The call was horseshit and the more I think about it the more it pisses me off.

I know some will say you shouldn't let yourself be in a position where the refs can decide the game, BUT, in the NFL where games can be so tight and decided on just a few key plays, refs can definitely have a huge effect on the outcome.

This 'penalty' wasn't one that had an effect on the play, it wasn't holding, it wasn't pass interference, and on top of everything it wasn't a clear and undisputable foul. Players set themselves like that all the time. Was he set for the full one second that the rules require? Probably not, but who does get set for a full second every time?

If the refs wanted to they could call that penalty several times per game in every game around the NFL. It was just a ridiculous call, they took the game out of the hands of the players, and that's a shame.

I think it's worth noting we could be 4-3 right now if it wasn't for some pathetic calls/non-calls against Dallas and now Green Bay, and it also shows just how thin the line is between winning and losing.

FRPLG · 11-01-2004, 10:14 AM

Anyone else think the play-by-play guys blew hard chunks too? This was clearly a major issue either way and they barely talked about it. They also sucked all game by the way. In fact the whole production blew. How about early int eh game where Green Bay got a first down on a definitely dubious play where the receiver fell down and caught the while it was boucning around. FOX NEVER EVEN SHOWED A DAMN REPLAY!!!!!!!!! Don't the teams rely on tv to show replays so they can decide whether to callenge? There is another major flaw in the replay system. You have to rely on the networks to show replays/ This is all fine and dandy when you have the A-team like Madden adn Michales or the Joe Buck team since they get the best directors and producers as well as more cameras for more better angels. But when you get the d-team like we did we get like one guy running up an down the sideline with a digital video camera and Corky in the booth getting replays up. Damn I am pissed off. I feel need the need to start breaking things.

CRT3 · 11-01-2004, 10:33 AM

Ok a few answers to this thread that will go on for ever.

Sunra the flag was thrown right as the play began. I was at the game and everybody around me picked it up. The linesman on the packers side threw it. So it was not thrown during the celebration.

Thrash was in motion and stopped to set himself at the line. The call is made because he has to be set for what I believe is a second. He stopped and the play went off. So this is a legitimate call but very picky.

The only thing that can be said is what I said at the very begginning of the game. This game will be decied by the officials because it is Tom Whites crew. This crew has been notorius for some of the biggest foul ups in games. This should be no surprise to anybody.

SUNRA · 11-01-2004, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The call was horseshit and the more I think about it the more it pisses me off.

I know some will say you shouldn't let yourself be in a position where the refs can decide the game, BUT, in the NFL where games can be so tight and decided on just a few key plays, refs can definitely have a huge effect on the outcome.

This 'penalty' wasn't one that had an effect on the play, it wasn't holding, it wasn't pass interference, and on top of everything it wasn't a clear and undisputable foul. Players set themselves like that all the time. Was he set for the full one second that the rules require? Probably not, but who does get set for a full second every time?

If the refs wanted to they could call that penalty several times per game in every game around the NFL. It was just a ridiculous call, they took the game out of the hands of the players, and that's a shame.

I think it's worth noting we could be 4-3 right now if it wasn't for some pathetic calls/non-calls against Dallas and now Green Bay, and it also shows just how thin the line is between winning and losing.

The bullshit is nobody saw when the flag actually was thrown. Why didn't they stop the play like they do when there is a false start at the line? I think the officials huddling together was about what lie would be told. Don Breaux said the officials first said it was Portis, then another said it was Thrash. Either way, like you mentioned it didn't affect the play in any way.

10-31-2004, 11:44 PM	#33
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,714	Can't really remember a call that was more painful as a skins fan. It was a mindblowing momentum swinging piece of bull sh**. Unbelievable. __________________ Hail from Houston!

10-31-2004, 11:57 PM	#36
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,714	I agree smoot. Even if it did happen, it had NO bearing on the play, and it definetly is something that happens a lot. The ref should keep the flag in his pocket. __________________ Hail from Houston!

11-01-2004, 12:00 AM	#37
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	Think of it this way.... If they hadent thrown a flag, do you think Packer fan would be " Oh my god, take that TD back there was illegal motion. That guy wasent set , that guy wasent set. Illegal Motion, Illegal motion." Somehow I dont think Packer fan would be doing that, maybe cause it was a rediculous penalty that had no bearing on the play. Really it wasetn even a penalty. God what a rediculous call.

11-01-2004, 12:36 AM	#38
Dana87 Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Saint Augustine, Florida Age: 63 Posts: 130	Matty you're right on that one. I will admit Brunell missed a couple of passes today. But once again the line play was awful. The pass he missed to Cooley he didn't have time to plant and throw.

11-01-2004, 12:40 AM	#39
redrock-skins Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 783	Was the flag thrown immediately upon the snap?

11-01-2004, 09:45 AM	#42
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	The call was horseshit and the more I think about it the more it pisses me off. I know some will say you shouldn't let yourself be in a position where the refs can decide the game, BUT, in the NFL where games can be so tight and decided on just a few key plays, refs can definitely have a huge effect on the outcome. This 'penalty' wasn't one that had an effect on the play, it wasn't holding, it wasn't pass interference, and on top of everything it wasn't a clear and undisputable foul. Players set themselves like that all the time. Was he set for the full one second that the rules require? Probably not, but who does get set for a full second every time? If the refs wanted to they could call that penalty several times per game in every game around the NFL. It was just a ridiculous call, they took the game out of the hands of the players, and that's a shame. I think it's worth noting we could be 4-3 right now if it wasn't for some pathetic calls/non-calls against Dallas and now Green Bay, and it also shows just how thin the line is between winning and losing.

11-01-2004, 10:14 AM	#43
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Anyone else think the play-by-play guys blew hard chunks too? This was clearly a major issue either way and they barely talked about it. They also sucked all game by the way. In fact the whole production blew. How about early int eh game where Green Bay got a first down on a definitely dubious play where the receiver fell down and caught the while it was boucning around. FOX NEVER EVEN SHOWED A DAMN REPLAY!!!!!!!!! Don't the teams rely on tv to show replays so they can decide whether to callenge? There is another major flaw in the replay system. You have to rely on the networks to show replays/ This is all fine and dandy when you have the A-team like Madden adn Michales or the Joe Buck team since they get the best directors and producers as well as more cameras for more better angels. But when you get the d-team like we did we get like one guy running up an down the sideline with a digital video camera and Corky in the booth getting replays up. Damn I am pissed off. I feel need the need to start breaking things.

11-01-2004, 10:33 AM	#44
CRT3 Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Rockville Age: 61 Posts: 795	Ok a few answers to this thread that will go on for ever. Sunra the flag was thrown right as the play began. I was at the game and everybody around me picked it up. The linesman on the packers side threw it. So it was not thrown during the celebration. Thrash was in motion and stopped to set himself at the line. The call is made because he has to be set for what I believe is a second. He stopped and the play went off. So this is a legitimate call but very picky. The only thing that can be said is what I said at the very begginning of the game. This game will be decied by the officials because it is Tom Whites crew. This crew has been notorius for some of the biggest foul ups in games. This should be no surprise to anybody.

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