How Many Games Should Vick Be Suspended?

[FRPLG]

To me whether he is guilty of the charges in the indictment is somewhat irrelevant. He is surely guilty of letting them run a dubious dog kennel from his property. There is no disputing that. Allowing this to happen on his property is dumb and irresponsible AT THE VERY BEST. It reflects very poorly on the league and in the end that is what amtters when the decisions about suspension matter. The legal system will hopefully take care of punishment. Fo the NFL this is about doing what is right for the league. Letting him stike around and cause continual bad press reflects poorly on the league. A suspension is in order.

[jsarno]

wow...I am shocked to see how many people say 0 games. At the very least it should be 4 games. I chose the season, and I hope permanantly.

[RobH4413]

Doesn't the new NFL policy say that they don't have to be proven guilty yet to be suspended? Roger is going to drop the hammer because this has gotten so much publicity. Eight games at least.

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think it's less about judge and jury and more so about him being the "CEO" of the league, and Vick being an employee of that league. If I was suspected of running a dogfighting ring, my guess is I'm not hanging around at work while awaiting trial

probably true, but that is the difference between normal people and people in the spotlight. His job isn't contingent on being smart or having a good attitude. Its him being good at throwing a ball and running around. I say that because a company could argue that you made bad decisions to put you in this position, but for nfl athletes i don't feel that matters. No one cares that he is an idiot.

My second point is, i think it is wrong regardless. We don't know everything about this case so how can anyone punish someone that can be innocent. Do i think he is innocent? Hell no, but its the moral of the issue. Now, if this was to happen to us our bosses would know even less than we know about this case. We know as much as we do only because he is a star. Our bosses would know very little about the case than we know right now about vick and w/o all the info i think it is wrong to punish someone who may have done no wrong.


So i don't think he should be suspended. Now, do i want him to be suspended? I do, because i feel he had a strong part in this and i feel he will get off easier than I would if i had done it. I am playing judge and jury now but in the matter of what i want, it is for him to be suspended. It also makes my day more interesting but wanting someone to lose their job for my ammusement sounds really bad.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by jsarno

wow...I am shocked to see how many people say 0 games. At the very least it should be 4 games. I chose the season, and I hope permanantly.

Vick to court next week, not camp - Yahoo! News
According to this article, Goodell and Blank seem poised to let him continue playing so long as he is able to with regard to court appointments until a verdict is issued once the judicial system has done it's thing. So looks like zero may not be far off, with what we know right now.

[redskinsfanatic]

he should have to sit out the whole damn season if he is found guilty,or takes a plea.pacman got suspended and he's only guilty now of keeping some pretty shitty company and doing stupid things.to be fair,the league should suspend him a season.since he is probably the most well known nfl player in the world,i doubt that happens!

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

Doesn't the new NFL policy say that they don't have to be proven guilty yet to be suspended? Roger is going to drop the hammer because this has gotten so much publicity. Eight games at least.

Yes it does but it also says something about repeat offenders which Vick is not. I said 0 days because he has not been found guilty of anything at this point. I do think he committed the crimes but until it goes to trial he still is cosidered innocent in the eye's of the law. If they did suspend him I think it would give the Falcons an easy out and what fun is that. I hope he shows up to training camp and plays this season because it will be fun to watch the media circus around the team, and the protesters that are bound to show up at some point.

[dallass-blows 2]

i said zero because he has not been found guilty. this reminds me of the duke lax case.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

Doesn't the new NFL policy say that they don't have to be proven guilty yet to be suspended? Roger is going to drop the hammer because this has gotten so much publicity. Eight games at least.

It also states that there needs to be an established pattern of disruptive behavior in order for a suspension without conviction to take place. This is Vick's first offense.

[Riggo44]

Originally Posted by Beer is Food

Your poll doesn't list "suspend with out pay until resolved." And, if guilty "Suspend for Life."

To all you "don't rush to judgement, innocent until proven guilty, look at Duke" guys:

All absurd arguments. Vick is under federal indictment for multiple serious felonies. Included in this indictment are gambling charges. The league has every right to suspend Vick prior to conviction, but may choose not to. It's the wrong choice. By not acting- the league is tacitly giving preferential treatment to Vick and tarnishing the NFL's image. The reason this is the case, is because they have the power and precedent to suspend vick. There are multiple charges and illegal gambling is included in the charge. By not suspending Vick, the commish is in essence saying that the league doesn't think Vick's Federal Indictment is worthy of receiving the full force of his office.

As far as "Rushing to judgement" goes- Vick will get his day in court. The fact that he has been federally indicted is enough for any private or public company for that matter, to suspend an employee. Most companies would just fire you. If your employer found out that you were under Federal Idictment, would you not be fired or suspended? Innocent until proven guilty is the measurement used to convict. Civil matters in court are held to a lesser standard- Preponderance of the evidence. And, as far outside of a court room- Business makes it's own decisions and public opinion is for each of us to decide. So why would the NFL be rushing to judgement if they suspend Vick? They don't have to use the same criteria a courtroom does for an employee. And, ask yourself... would you invite a person charged with a violent felony to your home or work? Would you be "rushing to judgement" if you said no- because a court of law hasn't determined if he's been proven guilty? C'mon!

As far as, Duke goes. PLEASE! Just because there has been one injustice doesn't mean you have to throw out the entire system. And, in fact, there wasn't an injustice because the Duke players were proven innocent and let off in the end. The criminal Lawyer was punished. Did the players suffer in public opinion? YES! Was it wrong for the public to judge these guys negativley? NO! It was common sense based on experience. And, with the Duke case, I think there were many people besides myself who were more shocked that the case went as far as it did.

If the NFL decides it should spot light an accused felon as one of their "stars", so be it. I just hope the fans and more importantly the sponsers, show gumption enough to make the so called "get tough" commish suffer.

Well said Beer is Food.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Vick to court next week, not camp - Yahoo! News
According to this article, Goodell and Blank seem poised to let him continue playing so long as he is able to with regard to court appointments until a verdict is issued once the judicial system has done it's thing. So looks like zero may not be far off, with what we know right now.

Yeah, but it says how many "should" he be suspended...not how many will he be.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by dallass-blows 2

i said zero because he has not been found guilty. this reminds me of the duke lax case.

With the exception of the media coverage, I don't see any similarities between the two.

[Dirty_Landry]

Originally Posted by Duffman003

he should be able to play extra games

LMFAO!!!! thats a classic right there:cheeky-sm

[Dogtag]

Based on how the media incorrectly convicted him of drug possession in the airport, and the only information I have is second hand via the media - I'm going to hold judgement until the Government and defense have a chance to present their arguments.

If he is guilty then throw the book at him. If the Govt can only come up with circumstantial evidence, I hope Mr. Vick starts sueing some folks who are very quick to write gossip without real evidence.

[Monkeydad]

If the league doesn't suspend him, the Falcons should just bench him. There has to be a few guys on the team who like dogs and can you imagine having to look at Vick in the huddle and wanting to protect him and take orders from someone you want to beat into the ground? He'd be horrible for team chemistry, he'd be a distraction and the fans are going to boo and say some nasty things every game. Plus, is he missed practices for legal meetings or court dates, he's worthless.

It would be better for the team to just let someone else take his place in the huddle.

I did vote for the season, because this isn't his first transgression. Either way, the league or the teams decision...he should not see the field this year.