Maske/JLC: Gibbs Hints Redskins Might Trade Up

[riggoraider]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Ummm, what about our D-line? We haven't done diddly-poo to improve it. And it was miserable last year. The first thing that comes to mind was when Tiki Barber absolutely worked us over in our house week 17. He gouged us. Just like everyone did all year. If we draft a WR in the first round it is essentially saying ARE and Lloyd probably were bad moves. I know ARE is a punt returner, but there are only so many footballs to go around. We're going to be run first as it is, Cooley will catch between 60-70 balls most likely, as will Moss, so then we have a 1st rd WR and ARE and Lloyd?? All that money for 3 guys who would at best catch around 25 passes each? Doesn't make sense to me unless we trade ARE or Lloyd, neither of whom would have much trade value right now.

Tiki Barber worked the whole defense over. I do not think that there is one person in the draft who could've stopped that from happening. The D-line did not look that badly when we had corners that we could rely on to cover last season because they had help from other positions which is the way we played in the previous two seasons. We did not have any outstanding lineman then but we were aggresive up front with our safeties, linebackers and corners (in nickle and dime situations).

As far as Lloyd goes, sometime you just have to bite the bullet if it is going to improve a weakness. ARE is a good #3 and gadget receiver but he is not a #2. We will probably have accept the mistake that we made last season in free agency but we do not have to play Lloyd just because his wallet is fat if he is not beneficial to the team.

I look for another receiver to be drafted in the first round if we do not select Okoye.

[NicknacK89]

i say we trade everyone we have for peyton manning

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by NicknacK89

i say we trade everyone we have for peyton manning

or we could trade every first round pick we have for the next 15 years for ladanian tomlinson

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by riggoraider

Tiki Barber worked the whole defense over. I do not think that there is one person in the draft who could've stopped that from happening. The D-line did not look that badly when we had corners that we could rely on to cover last season because they had help from other positions which is the way we played in the previous two seasons. We did not have any outstanding lineman then but we were aggresive up front with our safeties, linebackers and corners (in nickle and dime situations).

As far as Lloyd goes, sometime you just have to bite the bullet if it is going to improve a weakness. ARE is a good #3 and gadget receiver but he is not a #2. We will probably have accept the mistake that we made last season in free agency but we do not have to play Lloyd just because his wallet is fat if he is not beneficial to the team.

I look for another receiver to be drafted in the first round if we do not select Okoye.

Well, the Dline played better in 04 and 05 than it did last year and that's just a fact. They are aging and injured often. We have to get better up front against the run. It's a flat out fact. We cannot stand pat with what we have up front on D.

Look at the offensive success Saunders had in KC. He had a massive O-line, a great running scheme, a versatile TE with glue hands, and a tall QB with a big arm. We have all of that RIGHT NOW. Eddie Kennison was the best WR he ever had in KC, and he's good, but not a gamebreaker by any means. He certainly never had 3 WRs earing $20M+ each. Lloyd is not going anywhere this year, and neither is ARE. With Campbell working with the first team offense right off the bat, his rapport with them will improve. I'd be shocked not to see better numbers from Lloyd and the entire offense for that matter without adding a thing.

[riggoraider]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Well, the Dline played better in 04 and 05 than it did last year and that's just a fact. They are aging and injured often. We have to get better up front against the run. It's a flat out fact. We cannot stand pat with what we have up front on D.

Look at the offensive success Saunders had in KC. He had a massive O-line, a great running scheme, a versatile TE with glue hands, and a tall QB with a big arm. We have all of that RIGHT NOW. Eddie Kennison was the best WR he ever had in KC, and he's good, but not a gamebreaker by any means. He certainly never had 3 WRs earing $20M+ each. Lloyd is not going anywhere this year, and neither is ARE. With Campbell working with the first team offense right off the bat, his rapport with them will improve. I'd be shocked not to see better numbers from Lloyd and the entire offense for that matter without adding a thing.

You are right we do have to get better against the run and better linebacker play will give us just that.

As far as standing pat at the D-line goes we will see in a few weeks but ,from all indications, this is probably going to be what we do.

I am not opposed to getting a D-lineman if there is one who can ,absolulety, turn things around up front but there is no Julius Peppers or Warren Sapp in this years draft, therefore, I will not be upset if we try to get a player that could help us get the ball past the 20 yard line either.

edit: We say a lot about what Saunders scheme did with little talent at the receiver position in KC but do we think about what his scheme could do for a team with talented receivers?

[over the mountain]

while i really dont take what coach gibbs says at face value (kinda sucks) i do believe from what he said that the skins are 100% positive that there is not a premier DL player available in this years draft to warrant a no. 6 selection . . .the obvious choice is to trade down and still get okoye or anderson but the door is open to a reasonable trade up and add the best player in the draft and a potential HOF wr in calvin (the only player the skins seem to think is special, cant pass up) given that oakland is not drooling over calvin w/ the first pick it makes it a consideration. . . that said wr is not the most important position on the field and we got alot invested there already, build the D line but i didnt get to meet and watch calvin in person thoo, the league is due a new explosive right out of the gate awesome reciever and if he lives up to it it would be worth it in hindsight . .

[SkinsFanSince91]

We can debate allwe want, but if we have the chance to take CJ we should.

Players like him don't come around often!

Having CJ, Moss, and Randle El will open up running lanes off of respect of the receiving corps.

We can get a space-eating-run-stopping DT or a pss rush specialist in the 3rd round.

Our offense would INSTANTLY be better, and for a chance we could OUTSCORE teams, while keeping our defense fresh.

[offiss]

I wish we were much smarter last off season which would make going after CJ a no brainer, I believe that CJ is worth going after regardless of the cost he's that good. I would like to keep next years picks intact if at all possible. If we can't get him then I say start trading down when we are on the clock, I would trade down at least twice there are a lot of LB's, CB, and safeties that will be available in the late first and second round, I would probably target them with hopefully a couple of second rounders we get from trading down, and use our #1 on a offensive guard, I feel it is more important to protect Campbell, and open holes for the running game, than it is to draft a lineman, with this scenerio we can get at least 3 very good players to address a lot of needs, instead of 1 D-lineman. Then we have next years draft intact to go after D-line help. I can't say I disagree with thier assesment on the D-linemen this year, I could see potential bust in almost everyone of them. CJ guaranteed star.

This may be a year we have to tighten our belts with D-linemen and make do with what we have, a healthy Salavea, along with Griffen, and Golston to give them both rest isn't bad, the rest will have to step up. Adding a bonified safety to pair with Taylor and another CB could go a long way into giving the D-line a little extra time to get to the QB.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by offiss

This may be a year we have to tighten our belts with D-linemen and make do with what we have, a healthy Salavea, along with Griffen, and Golston to give them both rest isn't bad, the rest will have to step up. Adding a bonified safety to pair with Taylor and another CB could go a long way into giving the D-line a little extra time to get to the QB.

We are going to have to tighten our belts with the DLine even if we go there in the draft. I'm just saying we should get a DLineman right now so that three years down the road we can actually have a dominant player, and aren't still tightening our belts as we wait for our then rookie to develop.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanSince91

We can debate allwe want, but if we have the chance to take CJ we should.

Players like him don't come around often!

Having CJ, Moss, and Randle El will open up running lanes off of respect of the receiving corps.

We can get a space-eating-run-stopping DT or a pss rush specialist in the 3rd round.

Our offense would INSTANTLY be better, and for a chance we could OUTSCORE teams, while keeping our defense fresh.

Only once a year.

Respect, eh? Seems similar to the logic that said defenses would respect Campbell's deep ball, and then we watched our Y/A get sliced significantly. Defenses don't respect young players simply because the rest of us do.

One, a trade up that also lands a third rounder would cost Betts, and thats a bad deal for us. Two, if the third rounder ever becomes more than adequate, it was purely a function of luck. Plus, we lose a lot of game time experimenting with that 3rd round pick to see if we have anything. That's just not the solution we need.

Our offense would not instantly be better. Our passing game goes as Campbell goes. Our rushing game would be worse off if we dealt Betts. CJ would be a miniscule part of the equation, not to mention a rookie. Rookies lack the experience to play anywhere near what they will one day be capable of, and certainly make their fair share of crucial mistakes.

The best way to keep the defense fresh is to grind out first downs with the running game. You are suggesting we trade Betts. That's some backwards logic.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We are going to have to tighten our belts with the DLine even if we go there in the draft. I'm just saying we should get a DLineman right now so that three years down the road we can actually have a dominant player, and aren't still tightening our belts as we wait for our then rookie to develop.

Trading down could allow for all to take place, I like the kid Moss out of florida, I think he may be the most instinctive pass rusher but he needs to get bigger, he reminds me of Charles Haley, 2 to 3 years down the road he could be the best pass rusher of the bunch.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by offiss

Trading down could allow for all to take place, I like the kid Moss out of florida, I think he may be the most instinctive pass rusher but he needs to get bigger, he reminds me of Charles Haley, 2 to 3 years down the road he could be the best pass rusher of the bunch.

Uh oh. I've been saying I like Moss too. We agree! So...you see any locusts swarming around outside your house?

[GMScud]

J-Moss is a stud. He's also a good 2 years away from being an impact player. I live in Gainesville. Eric Wilbur, the Gator punter and Jarvis' roommate for the past few years, is a good friend of mine. I've spent plenty of time around Jarvis. Trust me, Jarvis is NOT as big as he's listed. Don't get me wrong, the kid is a freak athlete. But he needs to gain 15-20 lbs of muscle and not lose a step to be a force. He's only about 250lbs right now. He's fast, sure (was the anchor on his high school's 4 X 100 relay team), but a decent NFL tackle could drive him 15 yards down the field on a running play with ease. We already have an end like that. I believe his nickname last year was "Highway 99." Two words: Amobi Okoye. A hybrid DE/DT with a ton of character (Gibbs prob drooling over that) and HUGE upside based on 4 years of college ball despite only being 19. I guess that's more than two words, but there it is.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Uh oh. I've been saying I like Moss too. We agree! So...you see any locusts swarming around outside your house?

Nope just the inevetable, your getting smarter as you continue to read my post's.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by offiss

Nope just the inevetable, your getting smarter as you continue to read my post's.

Yet I still have the ability to spell correctly