NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

I starting to think that the DT and DE are all running about the same and there was talk early in Feb. that the Redskins were not wild about these DE and DT at a 6th pick in the draft! I am begaining to feel that is true. I also see much of what you are saying could be true[in your post] but for me Brings the 31st pick in the draft is a little short of that 6th over all pick. So a 2nd or a 4th would go along ways towards making this good. But in trades like this we seem not to do well. AS for Washington I truly hope his is not that bad off. He is one of the Redskin Players I really like!

I can't imagine that Gibbs & Co. were disenchanted with all of the defensive linemen projected to go in the first 10-15 picks. But then, they don't seem to be enamored with ANY defensive linemen year after year.

Even if they weren't happy with the D-linemen at #6, why not trade down just a few spots and pick up more selections in the second or third? Winding up with the #31 spot in the first round smashes any notion of trading down.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

The problem is we don't have any other picks until round 5 -- and there will not be any defensive linemen at that late stage to help where we need it most. This year's draft is deep at DL, but not that deep. If we take this deal and get the 31st pick, we won't have any bargaining power to trade down -- so there definitely won't be anything else "in the works" if this happens.

Teams ran all over us at the defensive line first -- so it follows that we need to address the front four first. Briggs won't matter at that point.

We will not know for a few years if you are right about this draft being a deep draft at DL. If it isn't and we take a pick of one D lineman at 6th and pay out that money and it is a miss!!!! It will be a few more years of top 10 in drafts to get back to the play-offs!

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I can't imagine that Gibbs & Co. were disenchanted with all of the defensive linemen projected to go in the first 10-15 picks. But then, they don't seem to be enamored with ANY defensive linemen year after year.

Even if they weren't happy with the D-linemen at #6, why not trade down just a few spots and pick up more selections in the second or third? Winding up with the #31 spot in the first round smashes any notion of trading down.

You are right that is why we need a 2nd or 4th[I don't believe they have a 3rd in 07] thrown in as well from the Bears.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

If the Bears threw in their 3rd rounder, Briggs doesn't ask for a $18M+ signing bonus, and the coaches think there's a starting-caliber DT/DE at #31, I wouldn't be opposed to the trade.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

for the life of me I can't understand all of the negativity towards this proposed deal. We keep a 1st rounder, and gain a STUD of a LB. Rocky may not be developing the way they want, or if they are like me, you just can't pass up on a guy like Briggs. especially when you essentially just change picks and do not lose our 1st rounder. Our D line does need to be addressed, which it will, just later in the draft. The draft is deep enough we can get a quality player. There may be something in the works we do not know about yet. I can't believe the number of people that are all for signing aged up LB or OLINE men, but when a 26 year old beast LB comes available for essentially nothing, people are bashing it. Yes it will cost us, yes Rocky will sit, but that is just a move that can't be ignored. That side of our D was consistantly run all over.

Please don't try to convince me that "keeping a first rounder" means a whole hell of a lot. We're dropping from 6 to 31 in this scenario, I don't care what you're calling it. Would it be much different if we dropped from 6 to 33 (the second round)???

Saying we're keeping a 1st rounder with the 31st pick is technically true. But it doesn't mean a hell of a lot. Going from 6 to 31 means we're giving up a ton of opportunity.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

If the Bears threw in their 3rd rounder, Briggs doesn't ask for a $18M+ signing bonus, and the coaches think there's a starting-caliber DT/DE at #31, I wouldn't be opposed to the trade.

Dose anyone know what is Washington health...is his hip that bad or is this all guess work?

[The Zimmermans]

This is a ticket selling money making pick. Not loving the idea of bringin in FA linebacker to learn new system when we can get a fresh college kid and mold him for much less. If we got two picks out of the deal maybe, but that's not in the cards.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

To play devil's advocate for a second-

I like Justin Harrell as a prospect. And there's an outside chance that Alan Branch could still be around at 31. So if we could land a prospect whom we were considering at 6, and now only have to pay him No. 31 money, we'd actually come out great in this deal.

But then again, if Harrell and Branch get taken prior to 31, and we don't have an option but to take the best remaining DL prospect, then the Briggs deal has officially royaly screwed us.

If we are genuinely interested in this deal, I could only assume it was because we weren't enamored with ANY of the top prospects.

Doesn't matter what we think about the top defensive line prospects, guys. If we didn't like the guys at the top, we could trade our #6 down for more picks. We could pull a deal with Denver for their 21st pick, and get a 2nd and a 4th or something. We don't have to squander the trade value of the 6th pick for Lance Briggs.

Again, it's not about what we're getting. It's about what opportunities we're giving up here.

There is no rationalizing why this deal makes sense. Please, people stop being homers for a second and stretching yourselves to come to the defense of the great Joe Gibbs. We need a DT to stop the run (how quickly we forget Tiki gashing us in week 17). We need athleticism at safety alongside Taylor (Fox was OK, but at the end of the season, was the secondary at the level you really want it?). We need a Guard with a big body (do you trust a 6'8" Todd Wade to get low enough to clear the way for Portis around the goalline when we sorely need a TD?).

We don't need one mother effing linebacker, for God's sakes. Do you really think we're THAT good right now? That Briggs will come in and take us to the next level? We need multiple athletes. I don't want to say we're in rebuilding mode, but we're definitely still BUILDING.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Please don't try to convince me that "keeping a first rounder" means a whole hell of a lot. We're dropping from 6 to 31 in this scenario, I don't care what you're calling it. Would it be much different if we dropped from 6 to 33 (the second round)???

Saying we're keeping a 1st rounder with the 31st pick is technically true. But it doesn't mean a hell of a lot. Going from 6 to 31 means we're giving up a ton of opportunity.

Well it dose mean something droping to 33 because the pick would get less money because he is not a first rounder! As for your post yes falling that far and not getting another pick seems short to me!

[skinsfan242]

Plain and Simple: This is a great deal if we get a second or third round pick. This is a really great deal if we get the 31st and 37th. We get screwed if we just get the 31st.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

Well it dose mean something droping to 33 because the pick would get less money because he is not a first rounder! As for your post yes falling that far and not getting another pick seems short to me!

The difference between 31 money and 33 money is miniscule.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfan242

Plain and Simple: This is a great deal if we get a second or third round pick. This is a really great deal if we get the 31st and 37th. We get screwed if we just get the 31st.

Well said. I got no problem with Briggs and think he'd be a good player for us. But the fact is we need more players than just him and whatever the 31 will buy us. Put another pick in the deal (a 3rd rounder would do) and I'd be on board.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Doesn't matter what we think about the top defensive line prospects, guys. If we didn't like the guys at the top, we could trade our #6 down for more picks. We could pull a deal with Denver for their 21st pick, and get a 2nd and a 4th or something. We don't have to squander the trade value of the 6th pick for Lance Briggs.

Again, it's not about what we're getting. It's about what opportunities we're giving up here.

There is no rationalizing why this deal makes sense. Please, people stop being homers for a second and stretching yourselves to come to the defense of the great Joe Gibbs. We need a DT to stop the run (how quickly we forget Tiki gashing us in week 17). We need athleticism at safety alongside Taylor (Fox was OK, but at the end of the season, was the secondary at the level you really want it?). We need a Guard with a big body (do you trust a 6'8" Todd Wade to get low enough to clear the way for Portis around the goalline when we sorely need a TD?).

We don't need one mother effing linebacker, for God's sakes. Do you really think we're THAT good right now? That Briggs will come in and take us to the next level? We need multiple athletes. I don't want to say we're in rebuilding mode, but we're definitely still BUILDING.

The truth is the FO went for it all last season and fail big time. Trading most our picks in 07 and one in 08. There just is little chance we can make it up in one year or with one pick[6th]. It would be hard to do it trading down and the likeyhood of hitting on lets say three good players in a trade down of three picks is not good. So what is the best way to go? That is why you have a Great GM to plan away to go and not this live for today way of thinking!

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

The truth is the FO went for it all last season and fail big time. Trading most our picks in 07 and one in 08. There just is little chance we can make it up in one year or with one pick[6th]. It would be hard to do it trading down and the likeyhood of hitting on lets say three good players in a trade down of three picks is not good. So what is the best way to go? That is why you have a Great GM to plan away to go and not this live for today way of thinking!

I agree that we squandered picks, which bugs the hell out of me. But that's neither here nor there when discussing what's the best move to make NEXT.

I don't care what's happened already, that's history, I care what's about to happen.

The best way to go is add mutliple athletes because we have multiple holes. There is no argument otherwise.

[Schneed10]

Fundamental questions to ask yourself about the Redskins:

Are you satisfied with Todd Wade at G? Is that a long term answer?

Are you satisfied with Pierson Prioleau (coming off a major knee injury), Vernon Fox, and Omar Stoutmire alongside Sean Taylor?

Are you satisfied with Todd Yoder as your backup TE?

Are you satisfied with our pass rush off the End? Regardless of how you feel about Carter (I think he looked good at the end of the year), how much longer do you think Daniels and Wynn can be effective? Are they even effective enough for your tastes when healthy?

Do you trust Kedric Golston (290 pounds) to improve against the run enough to enable us to get back to blitzing on 2nd and 8 and 3rd and 6? Remember, if we're in 2nd and 6 and 3rd and 3 all the time, we can't blitz much, can we.

How much longer can Cornelius Griffin (30 yrs old) hold up? What happens to us if he gets hurt?

And you want Lance Briggs and the 31st???