NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?

SmootSmack · 03-27-2007, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

According to Jay Glazer, Dan Snyder personally told FoxSports that he is interested in the trade.

Kind of interesting how in the article he talks about Gibbs needs to sign off on it. So does that mean, if it happens we can lay the blame squarely on Gibbs for it?

I still don't get the move though.

That Guy · 03-27-2007, 12:18 AM

maybe it's like L davis. gibbs and snyder are just trying to get another NFC east team to stress and overbid...

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-27-2007, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Kind of interesting how in the article he talks about Gibbs needs to sign off on it. So does that mean, if it happens we can lay the blame squarely on Gibbs for it?

I still don't get the move though.

I was interested to learn who was responsible. The article does seem to imply that this is Danny's doing. I wonder what kind of authority Gibbs has when Danny wants to do something.

wushawn · 03-27-2007, 12:26 AM

i swear dude, our offseasons are like never ending nightmares. everytime i think we are heading in the right direction with our moves, our fo has a flippin brain fart and thinks up this non-sence. if this happens, forget just next season, we are setting back our team like 5 years!!! how r we gonna completly not pay attention to our glaring needs, i mean tiki "today" barber ran like 200 yards and 3 td's the last game we played...RIGHT UP THE GUT!!! what the hell is another outside linebaker gonna do to fix that? i cant take this anymore. i mean this site is for the knowlegeable fan right? WE ALL AGREE THIS IS BAD!!! can we do anything to stop this? theres gotta be something, i cant sit by and watch my team make another bad decision. its almost like having another little sister dude

SmootSmack · 03-27-2007, 12:45 AM

Ok, so let's step back and look at this trade. I don't have a problem with getting Briggs, and drop from #6 to #31 may not be a total disaster if someone is there at D-Line (I know they have shown interest in Quentin Moses, but #31 may be a little high for him)

But a.) we need more picks and b.) are we committed to Rocky or not?

But does anyone else find it weird that Snyder would even comment at all?

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-27-2007, 12:56 AM

We definately need more picks, it appears that we are not comitted to Rocky at all, and this whole thing is strange and incredibly aggravating.

bigSkinsfan61 · 03-27-2007, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

We definately need more picks, it appears that we are not comitted to Rocky at all, and this whole thing is strange and incredibly aggravating.

Yea what he said....I really wanna believe this is all a bad dream. Maybe all of us will wake up and realize that this rumor never started. kinda like in that bullsh&t tv series, from that bullsh&t hick town ,Big D!!! . Jr never got shot. Elvis is still alive , and hanging out with jimi hendrix , janis joplin, jim morrison, ray charles, Please ...Won't somebody tell me this isn't true....Its just gotta be a really Bad dream

Rajmahal33 · 03-27-2007, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by wushawn

can we do anything to stop this? theres gotta be something, i cant sit by and watch my team make another bad decision. its almost like having another little sister dude

haha man that's right on. The FO is like a self-deprecating girl who chases some guy even though she knows he is gonna screw her

Luxorreb · 03-27-2007, 01:49 AM

Still don't believe it...

sportscurmudgeon · 03-27-2007, 01:54 AM

This thread is actually very humorous...

First of all, whenever the Skins have someone they need to trade or cut, someone here thinks that they ought to trade him for a 2nd round or a 1st round pick. Any Skins' player - no matter how surplus he is to this team or how marginal his skills are - is worth a high draft pick. Now the Skins are rumored to be interested in a guy who has already shown he is a Pro Bowl caliber linebacker. To get him, the Skins need not give up a pick; all they have to do is switch positions in the first round to get him. But now, the Pro Bowl player isn't enough for folks here unless the Bears ALSO throw in a couple of other picks too. Say what? :confused:

Suppose - JUST SUPPOSE - the guy the Skins take at #6 turns out to be as effective as some of their other high first round picks have been. Heath Shuler, Michael Westbrook, that "Heisman Trophy receiver" who turned out to be a punt returner, or Rod Gardner to name a couple. Wouldn't a Pro Bowl linebacker look awfully good in exchange for one of those guys?

Now here's why I would NOT make the deal - and it has nothing to do with getting additional picks from the Bears. The Bears play a completely different defense than the Skins do. That's why Adam Archuletta might actually be useful to them. Briggs will have to learn what to do in a completely different system - - and we saw how easy that was for Archuletta, right? Briggs will command - no he will DEMAND - a huge payday to come here and he'll come here needing to learn a whole new defense. I would not pay a huge salary and lose draft position for that kind of risk.

But if you just look at the rumored trade for what it is, a Pro Bowl linebacker is worth a switch in first round positions. What's your higher draft pick going to do? Go to the Pro Bowl? Hell, Briggs has already been there and done that...

Let's see, suppose the Raiders have an interest in Ade Jimoh for their secondary. Of course the Skins should get the overall #1 pick in this year's draft for Jimoh plus a third rounder this year and next year's first round pick. That would be fair... :thumb:

wilsowilso · 03-27-2007, 01:57 AM

Not worried at all. This is a bad trade. We might have overpaid recentley with regards to draft picks, but this is just silly. Snyder does not make these calls anymore. Everybody in the organization has been told to act crazy and no one has a clue what we are doing.

TenandSix:Unacceptable · 03-27-2007, 02:05 AM

Linebacker? Please. Remember when we had the best LB corp in the world with LaVar, Trotter and Armstead? Linebackers can be had. Why not just wait a year if you really want Briggs anyway? Isn't he signed to a one year contract? If JG pulls the trigger on this deal he has truly lost it.

TenandSix:Unacceptable · 03-27-2007, 02:06 AM

Hey WilsoWilso,

What's up bro?

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-27-2007, 02:30 AM

SC,

It's not just the trade values that people are concerned with (and I think that there are reasons to be concerned), it is also the fact that the D-line is our biggest area of need, but Briggs doesn't play DE or DT.

On a related note, I think people are concerned that a great DT/DE is worth more than a great OLB to any defense. Granted, Briggs is a proven OLB whereas draft prospects are not, but Briggs might look a little better in Chi-town than he would in D.C. given the talent he is surrounded by in Chicago. So, scheme issues aside, how good will Briggs be (or appear) on a team with less talented company? Who knows.

I think people are also concerned about Briggs' contract demands. Briggs is likely seeking more than $15M in guaranteed money on a deal averaging about $6-$7M per year. Vernon Davis, last year's 6th overall pick, got a 5 year $23M deal, so we're probably looking at a 5 year deal worth no more $30M this year for a DT/DE (who, in FA, are a lot pricier than DTs/DEs).

Finally, I think people are miffed because they expected us to trade down from the 6th pick to acquire a 2nd or 3rd rounder. By trading for Briggs, we obviously lose out on such a swap (assuming it would have been available).

djnemo65 · 03-27-2007, 02:38 AM

Briggs is a great player, but I think the reason that people are reacting as negatively as they are is that this deal represents another attempt to shortcut the draft process by bringing in guys who were groomed in other people's systems. It appeared that we finally had learned our lesson and were committed to maximizing both this and future drafts, and then we here that, once again, we are interested in bringing in the next big name. If we are going to drop that far down in draft position it should not be to add another probowler to maybe our deepest position, but to pick up later round picks who can provide the depth that we so sorely lack.

I can't help but think there is something very fishy here, and I will be shocked if this actually happens. But if it does, well, here we go again.

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03-27-2007, 12:18 AM	#47
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick? maybe it's like L davis. gibbs and snyder are just trying to get another NFC east team to stress and overbid...

03-27-2007, 12:26 AM	#49
wushawn Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 25	Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick? i swear dude, our offseasons are like never ending nightmares. everytime i think we are heading in the right direction with our moves, our fo has a flippin brain fart and thinks up this non-sence. if this happens, forget just next season, we are setting back our team like 5 years!!! how r we gonna completly not pay attention to our glaring needs, i mean tiki "today" barber ran like 200 yards and 3 td's the last game we played...RIGHT UP THE GUT!!! what the hell is another outside linebaker gonna do to fix that? i cant take this anymore. i mean this site is for the knowlegeable fan right? WE ALL AGREE THIS IS BAD!!! can we do anything to stop this? theres gotta be something, i cant sit by and watch my team make another bad decision. its almost like having another little sister dude

03-27-2007, 12:45 AM	#50
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick? Ok, so let's step back and look at this trade. I don't have a problem with getting Briggs, and drop from #6 to #31 may not be a total disaster if someone is there at D-Line (I know they have shown interest in Quentin Moses, but #31 may be a little high for him) But a.) we need more picks and b.) are we committed to Rocky or not? But does anyone else find it weird that Snyder would even comment at all? __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

03-27-2007, 12:56 AM	#51
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick? We definately need more picks, it appears that we are not comitted to Rocky at all, and this whole thing is strange and incredibly aggravating.

03-27-2007, 01:49 AM	#54
Luxorreb ^21^ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, Virginia Age: 52 Posts: 1,630	Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick? Still don't believe it... __________________ ^21^

03-27-2007, 01:54 AM	#55
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick? This thread is actually very humorous... First of all, whenever the Skins have someone they need to trade or cut, someone here thinks that they ought to trade him for a 2nd round or a 1st round pick. Any Skins' player - no matter how surplus he is to this team or how marginal his skills are - is worth a high draft pick. Now the Skins are rumored to be interested in a guy who has already shown he is a Pro Bowl caliber linebacker. To get him, the Skins need not give up a pick; all they have to do is switch positions in the first round to get him. But now, the Pro Bowl player isn't enough for folks here unless the Bears ALSO throw in a couple of other picks too. Say what? :confused: Suppose - JUST SUPPOSE - the guy the Skins take at #6 turns out to be as effective as some of their other high first round picks have been. Heath Shuler, Michael Westbrook, that "Heisman Trophy receiver" who turned out to be a punt returner, or Rod Gardner to name a couple. Wouldn't a Pro Bowl linebacker look awfully good in exchange for one of those guys? Now here's why I would NOT make the deal - and it has nothing to do with getting additional picks from the Bears. The Bears play a completely different defense than the Skins do. That's why Adam Archuletta might actually be useful to them. Briggs will have to learn what to do in a completely different system - - and we saw how easy that was for Archuletta, right? Briggs will command - no he will DEMAND - a huge payday to come here and he'll come here needing to learn a whole new defense. I would not pay a huge salary and lose draft position for that kind of risk. But if you just look at the rumored trade for what it is, a Pro Bowl linebacker is worth a switch in first round positions. What's your higher draft pick going to do? Go to the Pro Bowl? Hell, Briggs has already been there and done that... Let's see, suppose the Raiders have an interest in Ade Jimoh for their secondary. Of course the Skins should get the overall #1 pick in this year's draft for Jimoh plus a third rounder this year and next year's first round pick. That would be fair... :thumb: __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

03-27-2007, 01:57 AM	#56
wilsowilso Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Los Angeles Age: 51 Posts: 2,841	Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick? Not worried at all. This is a bad trade. We might have overpaid recentley with regards to draft picks, but this is just silly. Snyder does not make these calls anymore. Everybody in the organization has been told to act crazy and no one has a clue what we are doing.

03-27-2007, 02:05 AM	#57
TenandSix:Unacceptable Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 331	Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick? Linebacker? Please. Remember when we had the best LB corp in the world with LaVar, Trotter and Armstead? Linebackers can be had. Why not just wait a year if you really want Briggs anyway? Isn't he signed to a one year contract? If JG pulls the trigger on this deal he has truly lost it.

03-27-2007, 02:06 AM	#58
TenandSix:Unacceptable Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 331	Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick? Hey WilsoWilso, What's up bro?

03-27-2007, 02:30 AM	#59
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick? SC, It's not just the trade values that people are concerned with (and I think that there are reasons to be concerned), it is also the fact that the D-line is our biggest area of need, but Briggs doesn't play DE or DT. On a related note, I think people are concerned that a great DT/DE is worth more than a great OLB to any defense. Granted, Briggs is a proven OLB whereas draft prospects are not, but Briggs might look a little better in Chi-town than he would in D.C. given the talent he is surrounded by in Chicago. So, scheme issues aside, how good will Briggs be (or appear) on a team with less talented company? Who knows. I think people are also concerned about Briggs' contract demands. Briggs is likely seeking more than $15M in guaranteed money on a deal averaging about $6-$7M per year. Vernon Davis, last year's 6th overall pick, got a 5 year $23M deal, so we're probably looking at a 5 year deal worth no more $30M this year for a DT/DE (who, in FA, are a lot pricier than DTs/DEs). Finally, I think people are miffed because they expected us to trade down from the 6th pick to acquire a 2nd or 3rd rounder. By trading for Briggs, we obviously lose out on such a swap (assuming it would have been available).

03-27-2007, 02:38 AM	#60
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick? Briggs is a great player, but I think the reason that people are reacting as negatively as they are is that this deal represents another attempt to shortcut the draft process by bringing in guys who were groomed in other people's systems. It appeared that we finally had learned our lesson and were committed to maximizing both this and future drafts, and then we here that, once again, we are interested in bringing in the next big name. If we are going to drop that far down in draft position it should not be to add another probowler to maybe our deepest position, but to pick up later round picks who can provide the depth that we so sorely lack. I can't help but think there is something very fishy here, and I will be shocked if this actually happens. But if it does, well, here we go again.

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